Remove the Mythic Chosen Dead set from Legion Remix or re-add every removed set

The Mythic sets for Trial of Valor should not return in Legion Remix unless all previous challenge mode and mage tower appearances return as well.

It required you to complete the Trial of Valor raid without dying or zoning out at all and rewarded you with the mythic variant of The Chosen Dead set. This means you could not die on a boss, die to trash, log out for too long, or leave the instance. If you did you would lose your buff, and your attempt would be null and void.

The MoP and WoD challenge modes could be easily completed with a group of 4-5 people. Tanks could do absurd damage keeping up with or beating dps which meant you could carry an extra dps and still time gold. There were a plethora of skips that were available back then that have been fixed since which meant you could skip many annoying parts of dungeons and kill smaller easier enemies instead of troublesome ones or just skip right to bosses bypassing a ton of trash. Even with all of this there was still the gear scaling which people would argue made it challenging but no you had the option to just farm the BiS items from all raids over the course of the expansion and they may be even more powerful than they were at their base item level after being scaled down due to the content being designed around the lower ilvl.

This is like if in Legion you could wear Draught of Souls and Convergence of Fate in 7.3.0 Mythic+ and they did the same damage as they did 2 tiers ago. I would say challenge modes were the equivalent of doing a +10 or +12 in Season 2 of The War Within where yea I guess it’s challenging but the equivalent of completing The Chosen is like 2 chesting a +16 if you had to coordinate with 4 groups at once instead of just 1 and you had 1 chance to do it a week.

The level of coordination you needed and the amount of things that could ruin your run in Trial of Valor made it so much more difficult than challenge modes. Most challenge modes could be completed in under 20 minutes with decent gear and enough brains to hit a defensive and you could retry again if you messed it up. But with Trial of Valor, you needed 20 geared and skillful players who knew how to not kill their teammates or let them die from no dispels or wipe the raid from not doing mechanics and many days or weeks planning before doing a Chosen run with tons of prog and learning pulls and wipes, so you know the fights before you do The Chosen. And if you did die or wipe during a Chosen run you or your entire raid team would have to wait an entire week to try again. Most people would have to wait a week because everyone in their raid team would be locked to the instance after killing Odyn and you couldn’t regain the Test of The Chosen buff that you get at the start. There was the option to pug the raid with someone else’s lockout but because it was mythic and not heroic there were slim chances that you would complete the raid without dying in a pug group.

Based on Wowheads data which could be inaccurate because many players may not be actively playing still, The Chosen achievement was earned by only 5% of the total player population at the time as opposed to the Challenge mode gold achievements for MoP and WoD which was earned by a around 10% of players at the time which is double the amount of players who achieved The Chosen.

If so few active players have the MoP and Wod Challenge mode sets and weapons and they have never been available since, why should a set that is 2x rarer than those be available to anyone who is willing to kill the equivalent of an LFR raid in remix?

Why should the mage tower appearances not be available while The Chosen is? They were 100x easier to complete because you could do them with gear that out scaled the content

There needs to be a line drawn. If The Chosen is added to be obtainable by anyone now, then all exclusive content from years ago should be as well.

Make it all available or make none of it available.

You only make players more upset when you pick and choose which prestigious thing that took hours and hours of game time and preparation and coordination with others to achieve will be made available to anyone who can click the complete button on a quest.

There needs to be sense in the decisions that are made for these rewards, and I see none.

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Dang, what are the odds

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Seems like a good reason to bring it back then.

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Mythic raid isn’t a limited time challenge mode.

Bruh come on, at least read some of it

The mythic version helmet/shoulders are unavailable to anyone who didn’t do the limited time achievement with the raid

It was removed with the prepatch for BFA.

I got the chosen done well after Tomb of Sargeras was out.

Hell I got it after I got AotC Argus.

I got AotC Argus on the 10/12/2017

I got the Chosen on the 06/07/2018

Why do you have to lie?

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yeah i remember asmongold streaming getting chosen before bfa launch

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Therefore they should return everything else, not remove these.

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The things people care about.

I know exactly how it worked. I played the expansion when it was live. They tried an experiment with the raid that was dumb and people hated it. I remember the original complaints. Because it wasn’t a challenge mode and people were pissed it was being removed for arbitrary reasons.

The raid isn’t a challenge mode. Those pieces should have never been limited time in the first place.

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I just want blizzard to make up their minds and be sensible. Make everything available or make nothing available.

Correct me if im wrong about stuff but my recollections are from doing it when it was current.

None of these items should’ve been removed, but they were. With the statement they were limited time and not going to be returning. Now they are, but the mage tower, treated the exact same way, is not.

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I like how the OP completely ignored being called out for lying about how long you had to do The Chosen.

Seriously, why do people feel the need to do stuff like that when it can be easily proven to be false? It only damages your argument when you do stuff like that.

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MT is a challenge mode. Mythic raid was not. Therein lies the difference.

My post still stands.

Both were expansion-limited challenges stated to be permanently going away. Your point does not stand, because the same constraints were given for both.

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No they didn’t.

Im not lying. I said correct me if im wrong about stuff and I did it when it was current content. Most my my writing is from referencing patch notes and personal recollection. It may be skewed by all the other stuff that was limited time in legion.

Nope. The raid still exists. The Mage Tower was shut down.

They didn’t tell anyone it was going away until close to the end of the expansion. And it was arbitrary.

Mythic raid is not the same as the Mists Challenge Mode, Legion Challenge Mode or Warlords Challenge Mode.

There is a distinction. An achievement is irrelevant. This is about the content.

Point still stands.

So you went through the effort to calculate the time between 7.1.0 and 7.2.0, along with 5.0 and 6.0 but never bothered to actually check to see when The Chosen was actually turned into a Feat of Strength?

Right…

Also you only said “tell me if I’m wrong” AFTER you were called out for being wrong.

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Nope. Sorry i was typing a lot of stuff.