Remove it, Make it baseline, make lone wolf a cosmetic option for MM.
No thanks.
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Why not? What would the issue be? It would solve most issues with it, people who want to play pet could people who want to play lone wolf could. No dps loss, no utility loss etc.
The issue with lone wolf existing is that people who like pets cant play pet due to dps loss and people who dont want to play pet in some cases cant play without a pet due to utility loss.
Making it baseline and making damage equal to pet damage and gaining pet passives while in lone wolf would solve the issue.
the making damage equal to pet damage is the hard part. Your pet does very little dps compared to BM as marksman, and if it had full up time, it would probably be equal. But the reality is pets in wow don’t behave like you think they should all the time, and miss attacks and sometimes end up just standing there when you don’t have kill command constantly telling them to keep attacking. In theory they should be about equal already but that doesn’t pan out that way because of how unreliable pets can be. If you want to use a pet play bm or survival, MM is the solo ranger spec and probably will be for the forseeable future just because thats the identity the scraped out for it.
If they buffed your pet in MM more it would risk being BETTER than lone wolf, which would be the same issue in reverse.
Edit: Not only that but the difference even with the pet issues is kinda small, just don’t take the talent!
It’s a terrible change.
The talent changes now make it possible to not take lone wolf.
IMO
Stick to dh.
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This is exactly why they reduced it to 5%. The amount is miniscule and made up by the pet itself. So you can do either/or. Most solo content still pretty much needs a pet tank. Once we start to over gear with ilvl 606+ gear, LW will be more of a thing (until the next patch when we need to over gear it again)
I have played hunter since 2008, dont be toxic
Lone wolf being a cosmetic change, the whole point would be to balance them to make them equal, i think you are missing the point. People still take lone wolf believe it or not and people still play MM pet so its still a issue.
The issue is that its still not balanced. Its closer but still not balanced. Lone wolf players cant get utility like lust\leach\sac and pet players lose out on damage. Sure its closer but its not balanced.
You have basically never been able to play lone wolf in PVP due to the huge loss of utility
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That doesn’t mean anything. You can play a class since 2008 and still be bad at it.
I’m also not being toxic. I’m stating the truth.
You do realize that lone wolf and no pet are roughly the same. The reason people prefer lone wolf is because it doesn’t have the pet AI.
Most people who play no loaner wolf
Are pvpers that want the pet utility.
The tree redesign doesn’t force them to take it anymore.
So no I didn’t miss the point.
It’s never going to be 1-1 damage.
You either do max damage or you do slightly lower damage and gain the utility.
If non one wolf had the same damage an alone wolf with the bonus utility no one would run lone wolf.
I pvp on my hunter and lone wolf cant be used because you lose out on key utility that is the point. Its not balanced that is my point.
Also i would argue “dont play hunter” is a dismissive take.
It’s never going to be 1-1 damage.
They can make it 1-1 damage easily. Just make it so your single target autos apply a dot that mimics pet damage and it can only be applied on one target at a time.
They could do a bunch of things to make it 1-1 damage with a pet. Pet Attack Damage is a calculation and that whole calculation can be precomputed and added onto auto attacks of lone wolf users etc
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It’s balanced. You gain the utility for the loss of damage.
Link your hunter please.
Actually I said stick to DH. I don’t care what you play.
They aren’t going too because then it wouldn’t be balanced.
Idk why this such a foreign concept for you.
Lone wolf equals loss of utility for more damage
Non lone wolf is loss of damage for utility.
If non lone wolf did the same damage as lone wolf there would be ZERO reason to run lone wolf because you would do the same damage with no utility.
Lone wolf being a cosmetic change means people who play with lone wolf have equal damage to MM with a pet and have equal utility.
The problem with lone wolf is that lone wolf gives you more damage and non LW gives you utility that is the problem the talent and its always been that issue.
People who want to play with a pet shouldnt lose damage compared to LW and people who play LW shouldnt lose out on utility like lust etc.
that is my point of this post. That it shouldnt be a delta
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In aoe you lose a huge amount of damage if you have a pet out
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Lone wolf isn’t a cosmetic difference.
That’s not a problem that’s how it’s balanced.
You choose either more damage or utility.
People’s feelings are irrelevant. If you play as either or you gain some and lose some.
And your point is wrong.
In aoe yes.
But we’re talking pvp which isn’t aoe focused.
You are totally missing the point.
This is a hunter forum where people give feedback. My suggestion is that lone wolf should be a cosmetic baseline passive rather than a damage talent. Meaning that people can play lone wolf or with a pet on MM and not lose key utility or damage which has been the main criticism of lone wolf from both pet enjoyers and lone wolf players
Im suggesting what i think it should be based on me playing it not what it is. I dont know if you are trolling at this point you are clearly missing the point
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I play MM. If using lone wolf made sense for pvp, I would. But I cant rationalize losing a stun and lust, or stun and MS effect for a smidge more shot damage. AI in comp Stomp are the only thing killing my pet, enemy players ignore it most of the time so I rarely need to stop to rez my pet. When lone wolf was a 10% buff to shots I could see PVE playing opting to not use a pet as MM.
I would be fine with Hunters themselves getting the current pet utilities so I wont need to micro manage my pets location and health.
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If lone wolf was a passive and baseline and you didnt lose any damage selecting lone wolf and you could still use all your pet utility would you use it?
Or would you use a pet?
I would personally opt to play without a pet on MM if i could.
It should just work like pet stun works in the talent, when you cast sacs you summon a pet from your stables if you dont have one out and the pet uses sac.
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Id like that option. I know hunters exist that want to do thier job without a pet because I am one. Having a pet tank for me in open world is nice, but thats about the only time I want to have a pet, without other utility influencing me to want a pet.
I didn’t miss the point.
Where have I told you not to give feedback?
And I’m free to give feedback that
A it’s a terrible suggestion
And
B explain why it’s a terrible suggestion.
Again I’m not missing the point. Your suggestion won’t ever happen because the devs want you to make the conscious decision over more damage or utility.
Your suggestion removes that and it’s not going to happen.