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You said they were great at two roles. There’s three of those.

Pardon me, you said based on your theorycraft (“raw numbers”) that they had “the highest potential” to do that. In a vacuum Im guessing.

That’s what happens when you run into people who think they’re making quantitative statements.

Here’s the deal, it may have worked out this way 18 years later (on paper no less) but that was never the intent. The developers didnt purposefully design to end up like this. As long as that’s the case you cant blame the game for the players figuring it out and force your assertions on everyone.

This is particularly rich, given your very next statement is:

Yes or No:
Warriors have more taunts than any other class in the game.
Warriors have more +threat modifiers than any other class in the game
Warriors have more mitigation modifiers than any other class in the game

I have more. Let’s go to 2006, a little bit before TBC released:

https://web.archive.org/web/20061202044831/http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/partyroles.html - Blizzard, 2006

Notice how the writer specifically indicates that the fact that they are a melee is irrelevant. He talks about healing, tanking. Nothing to do with “range from which you do damage” or whether you’re magical or physical damage…

I actually have more, Axeswipe, and it just gets worse from here, how far do you want to go?

Still never called Warriors a hybrid.

They specifically say that Druids can act as Warriors (inferring that Warriors are a pure class, while Druids are the hybrid)… but never that Warriors are hybrids.

Yes.

What’s the problem?

Yes or No:
Warrior’s melee dps capabilities exceed every other class in the game

Players even mostly agreed that Warriors were hybrids here in this MMO-Champion thread from 2008 (before Wrath), and that player sentiment is built of their experience in the game…

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/615614-Warrior-is-a-Hybrid-class-Yes-or-No

Hybrid.

They fill 2 roles in a grp, dps and tank, pure classes fill only dps. Classes that can do anything apart from dps are hybrids.

Point being: as long as World of Warcraft has existed, the term “hybrid” has always meant the same thing.

Not your silly, outdated, from-everquest version.

In WoW it has always referred to the same exact thing since the very beginning: a class that can do more than 1 of the roles: tanking, healing, and damage dealing.

Warriors can do it, so they are hybrids. It doesn’t matter if Blizzard never literally, actually came out and said the statement. For all we know they never explicitly did so because it’s just plain obvious.

Right, they’re exempt. Just like I said. Its not the classes fault that tanking is melee and melee counts as a dps role.

Its a personal judgement call if you want to put warriors in that category since they can tank/dps and there’s other classes that can tank/dps. Everyone else is free to make up their own minds.

2008 is TBC :joy: That’s when they made it so you had to be a “prot warrior” if you wanted to tank, and “fury warrior” if you wanted to do damage!

Not how it works in Classic. Warriors are a pure class in Classic WoW!

Melee is a range indicator. Dps is the role

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Not quite sure, I dont have a T3 dps warrior.

Assuming the answer is yes, whats the problem?

Lies
Yes or No

Yes, we all know in your own little special bubble reality what you think it is.

I’m just telling you the non-fiction version of the situation.

Melee DPS is DPS. DPS is a role. Tanking is a role. Those two things intertwine when you talk about warriors.

Its not the warriors fault this happened. He’s not some special case because he can perform two roles well.

Just assume I said yes and hit me with your big gotcha moment. I’ll feign being impressed if that helps.

Whether or not you want to acknowledge warriors as a hybrid class. The fact of the matter is that they do things that hybrids can do better than other hybrids can do it.

That’s what makes them an exception.

The non-fiction version is you still can’t find anything from Classic Era that calls Warriors a hybrid :joy: Only expansions, which fundamentally changed the game for reasons I shouldn’t need to explain in the Classic WoW forums.

And?

Im still trying to see the problem here.

All classes are blameless. They arent people. Their designers are at fault.

I mean there’s no problem necessarily… I’m just whiny about definitions.