Basically title.
Lately I’ve been victim of, and witnessing a lot of griefing over skinning Onyxia and people purposefuly not looting their tarnished reals to blackmail people so they can skin the dragon.
3xReals twice a week for the amount of griefing this is causing isn’t justifiable anymore.
I think a better solution would be to just add the scales as a drop instead of removing the reals. Honestly if someone was HRing the skin I would do the same thing, but if someone won it fair and square then ya that’s kinda lame.
You’re saying you would not loot reals if someone was HRing skin?
Correct - just to stick it to someone who is trying to be a 
and take all the $$$ drop from the dragon and leave everyone else the crumbs.
Usually I just don’t join HR or I make my own groups, but this provides players a way to stick it to people trying to be which is why this is happening.
If they change the scales to a drop instead then everyone that joins will have to be ok with someone being a and taking all the $$$ because they won’t be able to do this action anymore.
Well, way to prove my point I guess?
That it needs a change? Yes I agree. All it does atm is battle toxicity with toxicity, which isn’t a good thing.
You’re not a “victim” though. Someone is just taking justice to you if you HR’d.
Someone spends an hour or more gathering people to do content that anyone barely does anymore, and they do it in exchange for a resource they will get, and that is somehow… wrong in your opinion.
Okay.
The only reason it is taking this long is because you are HRing all the wealth the dragon drops. If you don’t HR and you win it fair and square, I promise you that (even though it can still happen) it’s going to occur way less likely and your group will fill faster. A lot of players don’t like when people HR and even when they join groups, do so grumpily because there is no other groups available (and they don’t want to make their own).
I’m just letting you know this type of retaliation is going to be common when you try to steal all the riches for yourself.
Yeah let me tell you that you’re just plain wrong, I do Ony pugs in a LW character and in another toon that can’t skin her, in one of them I HR the scales, and in the other I don’t.
Both raids usually take the same amount of time, most people doing it either want a bag or are bringing an alt. If you want me to compile evidence to prove you wrong I’ll start doing so, because you’re talking out of your butt.
This behavior doesn’t only happen when scales are HR’d, even when there are people SRing the scales it does happen, and players are given the power to grief other people if they lose the roll to the scales, like I’ve witnessed it happen many times over.
You may not like it, but don’t try to act self righteous and justify your pathetic behavior with ad-hominem statements shifting the blame on whoever is HRing an item beforehand.
I am not acting morally superior. I am simply stating the obvious.
behavior is more often responded to with behavior.
Not behavior is more often responded to with not behavior.
You can call it whatever you want. Fact is that if your intention for your group is to be a and steal all the riches for yourself then it’s more likely this is going to occur vs if you win it fair and square. I am not shifting blame here either, I am simply telling you what is going to happen in these types of groups with the current game design.
It may still occur even if you win it fair and square (due to internet behavior where people can be anon), but the frequency will be less overall is all I am saying.
I also said I agree with you that it needs to be changed. Or else people will just combat toxicity with more toxicity like you are experiencing. The players need to be saved from themselves.
You’re saying people are pigs and HRing items is a crappy behavior but you’re right, that is totally not acting morally superior.
You’re not disagreeing completely because you know you’re wrong about this but you’re still trying to justify your point of view as being the right one by saying that there’s a difference, when you probably don’t even have an ounce of evidence to support your argument otherwise… and you’re probably not willing to gather that evidence either.
Yeah, you’re certainly an expert on toxic behavior, by the looks of it.
At least I can recognize that someone not looting reals to prevent a skin is toxic.
You think that taking all the riches from your group and then crying “victim” isn’t.
^ See, now that statement was one that qualifies as superiority.
I actually don’t think I disagreed with you at all? My first statement even was I agreed it needs to be changed. What exactly is it I’m trying to justify here?
And no I’m not willing to gather “evidence” here. This is occam’s razor. I don’t need to turn on a stove and put my hand on it 1000 times to tell you that my hand would get burned. This is common sense.
Because it is crappy behavior.
If you want to participate in that go for it. No one is stopping you. No one is also forcing anyone to join your group, they are free to make their own groups if they don’t like your rules. Let’s not try to sugarcoat it here and act like it’s not being greedy.
At any rate I hope they do something to change it though, because combatting toxic behavior with more toxic behavior isn’t a good thing.
Nobody is stealing anything, you can parrot that around all you want, if someone joins an HR run they’re not having anything stolen from them, the fact that you’re so dense you can’t understand that speaks volumes.
It’s okay, you have issues organizing your thoughts so let me help you. You stated that the frequency of this happening when an item is not HRd is lesser than when it is as to justify your point that this only happens for HR runs, when it doesn’t.
Greedy? I’m investing 1h+ of my time to organize a bunch of randoms towards a common goal and I’m supposed to do it because… it makes everyone else happy but me? What world do you live in? It’s more than justified to keep one material for myself. People run MC pugs HRing bindings, contested trinkets in BWL, and so on so forth.
You’re so contradictory it’s funny, yes, they are free to do that, but in the beginning you said it’s justifiable to join a group with a loot rule you disagree with just to grief people who HRd an item. So you say you hope Blizz do something to stop this toxicity when you yourself admitted to being part of the toxic problem fom the start.
Maybe, just maybe, stop with the toxic behavior before preaching in favor of stopping it from happening, otherwise you’re just a hypocrite.
People often resort to insults when they have nothing else to refute a point with.
Remember that time I was accused of moral superiority when I admitted the behavior of purposely not looting reals to grief was toxic?
We still have this though and the refusal to admit what you do is fueled by greed.
Hmmm. I wonder who is actually acting morally superior here…
No I never tried to “justify” anything. I just stated that I would do the same thing if it was me is all. Then I proceeded to say it was toxic.
BTW I’ve never once done this. I just said I would too. So no I didn’t “admit from the start being part of the toxic problem”
I presented to you the duality of the toxicity in this case. How HR was toxic and how griefing the skin was also toxic. How toxicity fueled more toxicity. You got mad and attacked me because you don’t like me calling you out on participating in toxic actions.
You’re not really reading my words though, all you see is how I called out HR is toxic, and as a result you have devolved to insults for your argument.
Probably because I used the emoji instead of just stating “greedy”, so I guess I did kinda goad you in that regard, so for that I do apologize.
There’s not much to recourse to when a person parrots their opinion as fact ignoring and kind of sensible argument. I could give you a million different reasons why you’re wrong on those specific points and you would refuse to be reasonable and understand them, keeping parroting your own close minded opinions on the matter of fact.
I’m not greedy, you can keep parroting that around but you will remain wrong about it. Sorry to break that to you.
Yep, you are delusional, there’s no point in arguing with you.
Have a great day Korcundo!
I mean, if you are able to provide any sensible argument into how a person who organizes a raid where everyone agrees to a specific loot rule is somehow toxic behavior, I’ll concede that to you. If you’re just spewing your own personal opinion into what you consider to be toxic, than arguing with you any further is essentially useless.
Why would I delete it? His points are pathetic and the suggestion still stands.
Sorry… I’m just not gonna loot the reals… HR the skin all you want and it wont matter because you cant skin it LMAO
If people join a group with such HR then they need something else from it. So it’s fair. is you, because you join a group with such HR (so you agree to it).
It sucks buts its not gonna get changed. Just force everyone to pick up the reals before you start to do loot.