Throw away balancing smf and TG and just do this idea thatll make all ur warrior players happy, and tbh id even say poll it, there are hundreds of the same threads and replies. i cant see why this idea isnt in the game for a class that used to always dw 1h weapons, if TG wasnt leagues better id go smf just for the cosmetic, Frost dks got their weapons back and balanced, Why cant warriors?
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I don’t understand how they can’t just easily balance the two
Rework the smf to just increase the damage/stats on 1h weapons by X% so it’s the same as a 2h, bam it’s perfectly balanced
They are not balanced
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i wonder why they dont just make smf passive like tg and do what you said, pleases both audiences or just make 2h mogged into 1h if u want
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They are not. They were during DF where Breath of Sindragosa used DW and Obliteration used 2H. But now in TWW, where the Obliteration build runs Shattering Blade, 2H is objectively worse than DW in any PvE scenario.
The only case scenario for Frost 2H now is PvP. And even there, the choice is between burst damage (2H) vs sustained damage (DW).
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Blizz logic at its finest.
Seriously, take the opposite approach. Start making threads begging Blizzard not to change SMF and not to allow 2H weapons being transmogged to 1H and it’ll more than likely actually happen.
ya thats what i heard but ig im wrong about it being balanced, personally i dont play dk and was just goin off what i heard in a tww pvp tutorial lol
Because SMF is the compromise. During Legion and BFA they flat out removed SMF, and only returned becasue people complained enough.
They know people want a transmog solution and its been complained about since WotLK and yet nothing has changed. Titan’s Grip remains king, and thats by design.
Yea they aren’t. It kind of was for a little… but now we are back to dw > 2h to the point where most sites aren’t making builds for 2h 
If you want to be stubborn, you can brute force it like I was… but I went dw when I got dual weapons to drop.
Yea you miss the massive oblit crits, but overall damage is much better.
Yea. Razerice generator from strictly talents is astronomically slower with 2h than dw with the enchant.
You still do damage as 2h, but shattering blades is pretty much worthless.
Don’t remove SMF. I like SMF. I remember when SMF was actually more unique than TG.
And give me the option in transmog to sheath 1h weapons on my back.
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I wish they were balanced. They were close enough in DF, but then TWW added more talents that scale off of auto attacks and pushed DW ahead again (due to the fact that dw 1h weapons get significantly more auto attacks than a single 2h weapon). There is also the issue mentioned above of Shattering builds favoring dw due to 2h frost DKs not being able to use Razorice runeforges. The 2 most important things for me as frost are 1) 2h weapon equipped and 2) no Breath. As a result, I am farther behind dps-wise but will continue to use a 2h weapon because it’s so important to me to use that 2h weapon.
WW monk is balanced between 2h/dw. Balance between 1h and 2h weapons can be done.
Balance between SMF/TG hasn’t been done for fury warriors as a deliberate design choice. The devs want fury warriors to prioritize using 2h weapons while leaving the option for SMF available for those that want it. 1h weapons for fury still has value for tank offspecs since it’s easier for prot to get an additional 1h weapon than try to get 1-2 2h weapons (since they get 1h weapons wtih a prot loot spec naturally) and for those fury warrior that prefer 1h weapons. If you’re not doing the high end cutting edge content and want to use 1h weapons, SMF works just fine. I’m glad that SMF is available for those that want to have 1h weapons equipped.
This. My rogue, DH, and enh shaman (and any other specs forced to use 1h weapons) have basically no weapons that are worth using since I will only use 1h weapons that sheathe on the back. If I could toggle it so that 1h weapons sheathe on the back (like monks already do) then that would open up so many more weapon options for me.
Honestly when something is this bad for this long, I assume it’s intentional.
They probably don’t really want SMF but every time they try to remove it people complain, so it’s literally just there to placate the people who want it and they have no interest in making it competitive with 2handers.
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Honestly I’d believe it at this point
At least Frost has some logic behind it due to how powerful runeforges and and the ability to have 2 is pretty big
But it’s dual weird and dual weird, literally just make it a passive that equalizes the stats between a 1h and 2h and it’s done
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What better way to drive home “it’s my way or the highway” than to take repeated metaphorical dumps on the choice people ask for?
Yeah, sounds about right from Blizzard…
They have Might of the Frozen Wastes as a passive tuning knob for 2h frost, but they haven’t used it effectively considering how far behind 2h frost is compared to dw. If they built Razorice into Might of the Frozen Wastes it would help significantly due to the presence of Shattering builds that effectively require a Razorice runeforge that 2h frost doesn’t use.
Frost needs a redesign away from anything that scales with auto attack procs. Change the things that proc off an auto attack crit (which will always favor dw) to proc off abilities such as Remorseless Winter or maybe disease ticks (something that procs equally regardless of weapon type). That would make balance significantly easier.
That’s just because no skill/talent from Monk’s toolkit works based on auto-attacks. And even now, unless 2H has a cantrip effect, DW is better than 2H just because it allows the use of 2 weapon enchants.
That’s the way it should be. I wish frost DK was like that.
This is definitely part of the problem. There needs to be a way to balance having 1 enchant on a 2h weapon vs. 2 enchants for dw (1 on each of 2 weapons). The only spec that doesn’t run into this specific issue is fury warrior since they use 2 weapons regardless.
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