steamrolled every game, i’d rather play AV but 1hr 20 minute queue. goodbye ranking
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PvP in classic is a effing joke and Blizz isn’t working nearly hard enough to fix it. Hour long queues for Horde, alliance losing all the time, WSG being a total mess because of premades not being matched against other premades.
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Easy fix. Put the premade rankers back in av. Allow a 15 man que or something. Enough people to make a difference without breaking the map. The only reason wsg sucks now i’s that you can’t premade av.
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The number of premades in WSG is absurd - I’m looking at 80%+ matchups against premades this week. This is not how it was in Classic. The system may be the same but the players are more organized.
The longevity of the PVP game, for me, involves being able to solo queue and have fun. I don’t mind getting stomped by premades every few games but to go hours without a competitive game is broken.
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Roll with your own crew or queue for AV.
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When they reprogrammed the que system to disallow premading AV, I expected them to disallow grouping of any sort in the battlegrounds.
Nope, just F you alliance players, there are more horde cutomers who will unsub if they lose a battlground.
With the rankings being 100% personal, not team based like arenas, they need to remove the ability to group in all BG’s.
This “sorta” group for AV, sorta not, and raid group for WSG is silly. Why is there no 5 man limit in WSG?
There is abslutely no standards.
Full raid group in AV and WSG, or no grouping at all.
For everyone crying for premade only queues that will enver happen, becausee no one every plays them and its a waste, just like the twink queues were.
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Or join a premade to try and combat it?
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Make friends. The genre has multiplayer in the title. Not all of us are scared of human interaction.
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Maybe you should premade with some friends instead of going solo.
Wow is a social game afterall
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As someone on Alliance who’s played both as part of a premade, as part of a partial pug/premade, and solo pug - no, this isn’t a Horde vs Alliance thing. There are super sweaty elite Alliance premades out there trashing Horde pugs, too - you’re just not seeing them.
More importantly though, not all premades are created alike. They’re not all hardcore disciplined expert PVPers popping consumables like candy. Just to give an example, today alone in Warsong Gulch, I’ve both defeated a 10-player premade as part of a pug group, and been beaten by a pug group when I was with a near full premade.
If anything, I honestly find solo pugging to more enjoyable than joining in a lower tier premade. Why? Because I don’t go in expecting anything from pugs, so if/when they screw it up and (we) get farmed, eh, so what. Whereas with a group of people I know, and we screw things up, I get annoyed because we should know/do/play better, and so on.
AV is a different beast altogether, and while I’d be all for letting both sides premade AV (crossrealm that is), I don’t think the blocking of it in AV should correspond to blocking it in WSG.
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Lets look at this fairly, how would they fix it?
Pre-mades would have to be outright disabled for Pugs to have a better time.
Blizzard would need to force quite a few Horde to re-roll alliance to reduce the Q.
Tho I would be willing to wager that the state of PVP while kinda un-fun for the pug player will actually improve over time as the Rank Zerg gets their rewards and moves on.
You did this to yourselves.
Zug zuggin AV means way more ally premades than horde
You’ll never play WSG or AB again
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If only alliance could learn how to play AV without the use of third party apps and exploitation methods. Instead they flock to WSG where their win/loss ratio is more controllable by steamrolling WSG pugs. It’s always refreshing seeing AFK marshals/field marshals in AV doing nothing to earn their pvp prestige.
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Horde premade WSG too. At least half our of premade games are against another premade. Alliance pugs are also getting rolled by horde premades.
Horde cried about AV premades and they’re gone. Just don’t expect that to work on WSG premades.
We’ll be premading AB too. Just a heads up.
It’s not easy on many servers. I try to find premade groups with no luck.
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Sounds like horde are feeling about as awkward as these guys
Y’all wanted classic, and this was classic. Same issues and complaints. 
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Ok, no one is stopping you.
It’s been the same game for 15 years.
Why is everyone surprised at how things are?