Avagon keeps stating what everyone else keeps implying in his own mind. i go back and read this and its just him diverting every single other response and forming his own argument and then demanding the other person defend his strawmans. Report him for trolling and move on.
Why is this thread still going? Master Loot is goneā¦ foreverā¦
Funny
Thatās what you said. Iāve quoted it 3 times now. Blizzard explicitly told us differently than that in a Q&A. Iāve said repeatedly that I donāt think it was the only reason but thatās one reason they gave us. So either Blizzard is a liar or you are.
But youāre here saying youāre not calling Blizzard a liar. That means you are right? There are only two options here. Either your statement above is true or itās not. I mean, you canāt say the reason wasnāt what Blizzard told us and then tell us that youāre not saying Blizzard is lying. Well, you can, but it doesnāt make any sense.
Whatās a strawman about that? Iām quoting you. Thereās no additional context that changes the point you made that Iām being critical about. The fact that you clearly canāt handle criticism and that your points donāt make any sense isnāt my problem.
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If anything I think this thread highlights exactly why itās good that itās gone and the type of deception people are willing to engage in to argue for its return.
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Nothing has changed.
Blizzard said: Negative feedback on the forums is correlated with a downturn in peopleās play time in the game.
Therefore:
The forums are a representative sample of the population on overall game satisfaction. Therefore the forums are a representative sample of the population. 
Blizzard also said: Forum users arnāt the average player.
Yet we have no idea what āaverage playerā means, or how they define by it. You can speculate, but you donāt know, and by your own logic that means that what youāre saying canāt be objectively true.
For specific issues like oneās that impact the people who mythic raid you donāt want whatever the āaverage playerā thinks. You want what the players who engage in that content think. Or do you also want to make sure you capture the opinion of someone who never has any intention of raidingās opinion on it?
A 2600 person sample is statistically significant for 95% confidence for well over 2 million people. Your single anecdote is isnāt. You donāt like that you cant see specific numbers, whoopty dingle do. You canāt see who voted, so I guess all election results must not be objectively true. They say they voted yes for Brexit but I cant see the results and that seems like a stupid idea therefore itās not objectively true that they voted yes 
. But donāt worry when if and when it suits you to use the data you have no issue with it.
Uhhh. K.
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The raiding you dont do?
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Does not equal:
Correlation: a mutual relationship or connection between two or more things.
Is a simple correlation all thatās required to be a representative sample?
Representative Sample: A representative sample is a subset of a population that seeks to accurately reflect the characteristics of the larger entity.
Look at that, just demonstrating a correlation is not sufficient. Because, you know, words have meanings and stuff. Let me get some popcorn while you try this again, and again, and again.
lol, this is great. No, theyāre not. Unless theyāre a representative sample. Which, exactly like the forums, people who have accounts on AskMrRobot are not a representative sample. Shocker, again you demonstrate you donāt know what youāre talking about.
Except weāre way past just a difference of opinion. Youāve demonstrated youāre willing to be dishonest and argue something thatās objectively not true. Though youāre right, I shouldnāt have said āno oneā I should have said āIā there. Clearly there are some other people who donāt care about logic or objective reality who are triggered by the loss of ML who need someone to buddy up with.
This is just flat out wrong.
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You didnāt lose a choice.
You seem to think that having ML means youāre gonna get something anyway.
Most of the loot can still be traded
Most of the loot that comes from ML drops usually gets sent to the recycle bin
And it makes the race for world 1st more competitive.
Man, (no obvious offense intended to anyone with following statement) if people arenāt willing to admit the forums AT LEAST potentially directly represent larger groups of players in the gameā¦
Iād just walk away from this lol. Thats mind blowing to me. Are the views people express on the forums entirely new and novel and 100% certainly never before heard of or contemplated by ALL OTHER players in game, right now?!!
Thats incredibly bad logic. Thereās infinitely more proof the forums are representative of the playerbase than the opposite.
Every. Single. Aspect. Of. The. Game. Has been discussed on these forums. The topics that the community deem worthy of continued discussion will either have similar threads created about it, or already existing threads about it will be bumped to the top constantly as opposed to other less āpopularā threads sinking.
That tells you something. It does, absolutely.
See, the people who say āThe forums absolutely donāt represent anythingā are the people who will discard a source of info, or many sources of info, because it doesnāt paint a complete picture solo or give them a concrete yes or no answer.
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Well its easier for people to dismiss opinions by pretending the forums arent a sample size. If you dismiss any opinion you dont like then anything can be what you want it to be!
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Once Ion is gone, ML can come back. No king rules forever.
coughs up drink
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āBut it has the words representative and sample and there are different people represented and itās a sample and my mind is blown and stuff!ā lol
I donāt even have to make arguments anymore. I can just point at the foolish things they say and laugh.
Because you canāt.
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Iām sorry youāre not educated on the topic youāre trying to speak on and you didnāt get that from my last comment. Here, Iāll clarify my point. A representative sample has a specific definition that is not the garbage you went on a diatribe about. Here it is, again, for you to peruse. Not that it matters because you probably wonāt understand the distinction between what you foolishly talked about and the actual definition.
To clarify further, because this is fun, the way they accurately reflect the characteristics of the larger entity (i.e. the using a subset of players to accurately reflect all players) is by using a random sampling of a subset that is made up of the same ratios of opinions present in the larger pool. Something the forum is not. The forums arenāt a random sampling of the overall population. You can get a random sampling of forum users, but thatās biased because the average player does not engage on the forums. We know this because they told us this in the last Q&A (and thereās mounds and mounds and mounds of data from this and other mmoās that corroborate this fact). Which means the forums canāt possibly be a representative sample of the playerbase due to the requirements per the definitions of those terms.
Yea I hit my threshold.
Literal statistical definition of how the circumstance in which you can draw a correlation:
- To extend correlation results to a given population, the subjects under study must form a representative (i.e., random) sample from that population.
If the negative forum feedback is correlated to a negative response from population, then the forum sample is representative of the population. Itās not like you have to be university educated to get that, the first google search on google can bring it up.
Confirmation bias makes discussion impossible.
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After all that wouldnāt it have been easier for you to just admit you canāt defend your argument, rather then link something Google helped you find a suitable definition for your purposes while screaming āTHATS NOT THAT! THATS NOT THAT!!!ā
Elaborate?
Edit: Nevermind. Hard pass. Speaking of education,
Crusty has been accurate/correct all along concerning statistical methods, you have not.
Refreshing to see someone else understands stats Crusty ^.^ Calc based stats really made me dizzy in undergrad though, I wasnāt prepared for it I freely admit that. Descriptive and inferential stats not utilizing calc? Interesting.
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lol what?
Thatās probably the worst deflection Iāve ever seen in my life.
Man, I got some bad news for you.