Remove master loot/trading stop reserve groups

title says it all…there is way to much loot whoring in wow classic…makes the game a whole lot less enjoyable when every single group has items on reserve…raids included.and lets face it…the only way to stop people from reserving loot for themselves or someone else is to entirely remove master looter/loot trading.there is absolutly no reason everyone in a raid that needs an item shouldnt have a fair shot.not to mention it would stop people in 5 mans from suddenly switching loot to master during a boss fight to ninja an item.and no i dont care that you might have formed the raid/reg instance run you should not have any more priority on any item than anyone else.also before anyone trys to call me a troll because im posting something you dont like from a panda…just dont.its none of your business what toon i use to post on the forums nor does it matter.i dont post crap on the forums to try and troll people regardless of what you may think so just keep it to yourself or dont post at all.

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If you don’t like raids with reserves, make your own one and reserve nothing.

Oh, what’s that? Forming a viable raid is too hard for you? Well, that means that

is plain wrong. If you group up 40 people, you get to enjoy the spoils.

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If you want gear, form your own group and reserve the items you want each week. If you don’t want to put in the extra effort to form the group then you don’t get the extra rewards.

“Its not fair Mommy! I want more stuffs”

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doesnt matter if you make the group or someone else does.doesnt mean you should get to reserve the best stuff in the raid for yourself.every single mc group is OSG/ACCURIA reserved amongst other crap…and yeah you can tell me to not join the runs but its not really a viable solution when every single group has the same crap on reserve.then theres also this crap where people put ony head/weapons on Gbid cus there greedy .and no these arent the only items im referring to im using it as an example.there are more greedy douches in this game than ever before.and it frankly shouldnt be acceptable…theres a reason master loot was removed in retail and it shouldnt be any different in classic

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Let’s say, for the sake of argument, you wanted to remove the ability of people to reserve things, which I don’t, how would you even do that? You couldn’t without entirely changing the way the game works.

Most 5 man groups that I’ve been in where things are reserved don’t even use master loot. It’s a small enough server community where if you roll on something that someone has clearly reserved word will get around. By the time you do that 2 or 3 times you’ll pretty much be blacklisted.

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dont know what 5 mans youve been in like this but ive never seen it.nobody does reserve runs without master looter and if its set to group loot its fair game for anyone who needs the items to roll.the only items that are really different are tier 0 items since they upgrade to 0.5 and the quests are class specific

It does matter. If reserving items is so outrageous and a total overkill for forming a raid, you should be able to form a raid with no reserves in no time. Countless players would just beg you to let them in. Go try forming a raid. If you fail, it means the community at large is content with reserves, and you are one of the few crying at blizzard asking to change the game so you can get your loot.

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If raids didn’t prioritize loot, especially guilds, who need their main raiders to be geared enough to progress, since consumes either cost a lot, or you have to spend hours getting your own consumes, which in my experience including specs and consumes, it costs at least 150g to either buy my consumes OR farm them, which is hard because of the gold selling bots. So if you add in how much consumes can cost, along with the people who went out of their way to prepare for these raids with gear from previous phases, why on earth should someone get sometbing over someone else who created the group, gathered people who consistently raid With that group, who goes out of their way to farm their consumes, and do what is possible so that group succeeds. You mean to tell me you don’t think it’s fair? Either whatever group you’re raiding with is unfair, you’re not pulling your weight, or you plain and simple need to find a better guild. My guild is amazing, as long as you pull your own weight, you have a chance on getting the things you need. I’m not saying it’s easy, but the raids in classic require a lot more than just “oh it’s not fair I want loot too” there’s way more that is involved than people wanting things for themselves. That is how successful guilds work. They prioritize based on the better well being of the guild, if pugs got the same looting rights as a guild owner who created the raid and the groups, how would these guilds progress? It’s rough watching people come into a raid with blue pieces, no consumes, no knowledge of a raid, and wins a piece a core raider needed to help the main raid? This is a huge stretch.

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As I stated, it’s the way it’s done on my server, the way things are done varies from server to server, but if you took away peoples’ ability to master loot, which would be disastrous for raids, people would still reserve in 5 mans and do it our way. It wouldn’t stop anything.

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They would still reserve in raids too. You can only ninja once.

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you cant ninja with group loot…you either win the item or you dont. it only forces everyone else to to use a fair roll.nobodys going to care if someone cries that they lost a fair roll on an item.the only way people will care is if you ninja an item that you already have.

Ninja detected. Good that you didn’t post on your Classic character, because you’d be blacklisted by many people immediately.

ok then tell me good sir…how is winning a roll on an item that you don’t already have and going to use ninjaing? the fact is you cant tell me cus you cant define that as being a ninja looter

GDKP is the best form of loot distribution in pugs just not on the servers with large asian gold buying guilds like Sulfuras and Faerlina.

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Because you joined a group with plainly stated loot rules that an item is reserved. You lied that you will comply with the rules when joining. If you roll need on a reserved item, you are a liar, a thief and a ninja.

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What you are asking for would ruin progression. Everything would take way longer. And not for nothing but a guild who prepared their OWN guild, gathered people, went through pre bis, to phase 1 MC, BWL, all so that some random kid can come and take a tier piece, because he dosent understand that you don’t just wake up with a raid capable of completing new instances😂 If that’s the case you need to gather 40 level 55s, all of you need to Get your pre bis, get ready for MC, and you can try your system THAN. You don’t get to walk into someone’s raid who spent months of progressing and spending Thousands of gold on consumes because you FEEL you deserve a chance. When you creat your raid from scratch , attune for the raids, get 40 people on the same “fair chance no matter what” than you can decide how the rolls work. Which WILL NOT work.

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That’s not true, every group has some concept of MS > OS even if it’s not explicitly stated. For example, if a warrior rolled on an item for his flask set that an actual healer needed without asking first, that person would be viewed as very rude, a ninja and probably won’t find themselves invited places again.

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nobody is going to try and make a group like that if there is no master looter.they just wont take someone who might want the item and in raids it will generally just mean more even class distribution and less people rolling on the same items to begin with…there is nothing they can enforce without master looter in place and if they try and cry about it they wil just be laughed at.

you go ahead and tell me how it will ruin progression? the fact is it would not.it would be pretty close to the way retail guilds function.but without crappy personal loot.removing master loot from modern wow did not hurt the game nor would it hurt classic.it only prevents people from being selfish

It sounds like you don’t understand what goes behind preparation for raids, hence why you apparently are posting as someone else. If you spent more time doing what you’re supposed to you’d have your raid and even a spot on a guild. Than you wouldn’t have to worry about what you deserve. People don’t want players who are worried about themselves. It dosent seem like your concerned with people not having a chance at loot, you just sound salty because you refuse to consider the hard work that goes behind forming a raid group. You should respect the people who run these raids and learn about how difficult it is to make sure everything in a raid goes smoothly. It isn’t retail where you just que up for an easy difficulty raid and push buttons and boom, everyone’s got epic gear within 2 weeks.

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Ninja looting is when you loot something in group content that you are not entitled to win. Whether you roll on it or not is irrelevant. If the group formed with the express understanding that an item was not to be looted by anyone other than Mcstabynoobface, then if your name isn’t Mcstabynoobface, you have ninjalooted the item.

Your understanding about what is, and isn’t, ninja looting is wrong.

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