What was the initial idea of a M+ timer?
As a casual player who plays with casuals and closes keys up to 15 this mechanic brings only frustration. It doesn’t add anything valuable and only magnifies bad feelings when someone fails. Speed running should be optional and not be forced to people who don’t want to play like this. Timer spreads toxicity in our community because with timer even small failures can be devastating for the entire group.
So what will happen if we just remove it from the game completely? Nothing will change except the game will be more friendly to players who are just learning how to play. Casuals will still have a ceiling because they definitely won’t be able to close 20+ keys, hardcore players will be happy because they compete based on a lvl of key and if they want - raider io can easily add timer section to it.
TLDR; timer is bad, leaves a bad taste in the mouth, magnifies bad feelings when someone fails, doesn’t bring anything. Hardcore players can compete based on key lvl and timers on raider io (like in Classic they compete on Warcraft logs).
Edit: To people who are spreading nonsense about “They want epics for free”, “learn to play” and other stuff: Mythic+ difficulty should be tuned accordingly with a timer removal. Baseline stats and mechanics damage should be increased to remove this difficulty gap. You won’t get mythic gear for free, it will be hard. But it’s a different type of “hard” - not a speed run “hard”.
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I agree that there should be rewards for people who prefer to play without the timer, but I don’t think that the timer should be removed because many people enjoy the race.
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I despise the timer and it ruins mythic + for me.
Others love it so I accept mythic + is not designed with me in mind
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M+ Drops mythic level gear, if there was no timer, people would sit and wait for lust every pull and eventually be mythic geared by cheesing every dungeon in a week.
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You will still have keys and different level, just remove timer from this.
Yeah M+ is clearly unsuccessful because a few amoebas have a hard time with a timer. Remove it!
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They can do this right now, nothing prevents them from failing a timer. Timer matters only on a first week in f expansion when you push your key.
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The timer is for upgrading the key, so yes you can do that strat for a key you already have, but you cant build up to your key to mythic gear +'s by doing that, if u didnt have a timer you could which easily would be done and abused.
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That’s the problem with m+ then. IMHO it shouldn’t provide mythic raid gear or provide it on keys 25+ that are not possible to complete for 80% of a playerbase.
It provides a 475 version of dungeon gear. That is not the same as mythic raid gear.
It provides another avenue of gearing that is equal to the level of effort that it takes.
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if you think even 20% of the playerbase are completing 25s you’re wrong. It’s less than 1%, lol.
In my opinion, mythic raid shouldn’t provide any gear at all because it’s the lamest form of content. Let’s do that instead.
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People enjoy M+ for progression, just because you dont like it, doesnt mean it should be removed for those who do. Also even if it is a 25+ it still can be cheesed one pull at a time with lust and cds without a timer.
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Yea I understand that some people enjoy speed runs and it either should be an opt in feature or implemented via addons/logs/raider io. In classic it works pretty well and people can compete on Warcraft logs with each other.
They should remove rp talk in m+ , it sucks to wait 15 seconds or more for the npcs to shut up
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I would say your best bet and more fair bet would be to ask them to change what happens when you fail a timer.
If failing still rewards decently enough, but doing it in time is better, both fans of the timer and those against the timer can have fun.
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Meh, just remove the fact the key breaks and we’re done. Allow us to downgrade the key at a npc if needed. Make it so you only upgrade the key through the timer.
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Don’t you think thats it’s a design flaw then that gear is tied to a timer? Currently I can do the same - push key with normal group and do 15s with my friends after to give them mythic level gear.
I have no authority to talk about Mythic Plus because I don’t do it, but I would like to point out that the Mythic raid is also an easy way to gear up. The first few bosses in each raid at the Mythic level (when people have good gear, for this raid like 470+ ilvl) are free kills. In Ny’Alotha, anyone can make a group for Wrathion and Skittra and get 4 chances at a piece of 475 gear if they use bonus rolls.
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