True, but if you killed them with their buffs out they’d still lose 'em. If I’m understanding Upright, they used to derive enjoyment from the game by denying others the ability to use their world buffs in raids. I could be wrong but I suspect the how is less important than the result.
I think those types just get joy out of causing frustration and anger in others either because of some past trauma or because they are a sociopath.
Why are would anyone that cares so much about their buffs that they woudl get angry and frustrated over dying be on a pvp server.
I dunno… while it’s something I don’t understand and can’t related to, I also try not to judge. PvP is… a thing, and a lot of people love it. You can take that pretty much as far as you like and maybe not even be in the wrong because at the end of the day, making a character on a PvP server is an opt-in to everything that comes with being able to fight and ultimately kill players on the opposing faction. Whether that works in favour or not is kind of irrelevant.
So as I said, I try not to judge, I just don’t play on PvP servers because I don’t want to be a part of either side of that experience. You can still have PvP on a PvE server, it’s just opt-in. Folks are just less likely to opt into it these days though.
So if Upright is going to make the premise that Chronoboon is responsible for eliminating this aspect of his gaming experience, that’s valid, even if I don’t agree that it’s a detriment to WoW. However, that’s absolutely a very differnet premise than the one he’s making, which is that Chronoboon resulted in the open world being dead, which you and I both seem to agree is the exact opposite outcome that Chronoboon had.
Do you play on a PvP server, Alsharptusk?
Dispelling world buffs I don’t think is what most PvPers would consider PvP. Most I think would just call it griefing. PvP is competitive. Dispelling is not. There are winners and losers in PvP. There are only losers in world buff dispelling. The people doing it are losers and the people getting dispelled lose.
Yes I’m on the Whitemane cluster. I very much enjoy some good ole competitive PvP.
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By extension though, one could argue that there are also winners and losers in PvE. On a PvP server, interfering with the world buffs of other raids while preserving your own could lead to a competitive advantage.
This doesn’t sound like how you view PvP, nor is it how I view PvP, but I think it’s a valid perspective to have if you ultimately view a PvP server as a competitive environment.
Could also just delete Classic Era too but that isn’t going to happen either.
These statements are contradictory. You cannot have the latter without a huge amount of people in the former.
While I agree that it was lots of fun to hide from dispellers as were the fights outside raids and all the tricks to get inside without losing buffs - it was also a world of much more raid logging.
A good majority of raiders would logout after getting their buffs and not login again until the minute before raid. Many people even rebuffed as a group after completing their raid, which means they were logged out the entire week.
Overall I think I learn pro chronoboon - but I do miss all the fun little wars and complexities not having it added to the game. However I prefer being able to pvp on my main all week then go to naxx and have my buffs ready instead of logging out as soon as I start to get buffs.
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It’s an interesting thought but I don’t think anyone is dispelling so they can have a comparatively better raid clear time. Especially when you consider the fact that people keep horde and alliance records separate since alliance have faster clear times because of the advantage paladins give over shamans as well as superior PvE racials. And also when you consider the fact that you can still just go get your buffs again before raid time.
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I don’t think they are either, I’m just looking to give benefit of the doubt here and I’m absolutely reaching. I know it’s griefing, you know it’s griefing, but… griefing on a PvP server? Whatcha gonna do… honour isn’t a requirement for participation.
Still, if griefing world buffs in this fashion was an activity you enjoy, Chronoboon would be a negative add. I can’t imagine that encompasses a large group though.
It does not.
We have not had layers for many many months when we asked Blizzard to remove them from Classic ERA, and guess what they did exactly as we asked and removed them.
Really is the opposite even if I don’t enjoy SoD as much as I do Era.
Additionally you made this post the other day and I responded too it and here you are again.
In the open world it actually its more common for me to see full T3 than it is R14. R14 may be a little more common than you think it should be, but its actually fairly rare. Provided your ignorance on the topic I suspect you confuse Rank10 armor with R14; this is an easy mistake, you should pay more attention.
Just because we cant dispel does not mean the open world PVP is dead; I would argue its better post Chronoboon than pre-Chronoboon… I played Classic 2019 in the Dispel meta, and I play still to this day post boon, and world PVP is better after the boon, and I know this because I do world PVP. I suspect you don’t world PVP otherwise you would not be presenting such a bad faith argument.
Actually they are your opinions because I do not share them.
If you had of only posted this line you could have gotten some love, these two things I agree with. Addons are kinda bad for the game, I have posted about this many times that addons actually do more harm than good.
This sounds like a group looking for pvp vs singled out opponents. Or opportunistic engagement. How is that any better or worse than dispelling world buffs. I highly doubt you walk up to some like minded horde and /bow then fight. Get off that high horse.
And do not get me wrong that is how I think world PvP needs to be. Disadvantage, to motivate and drive. But why is it sociopathic as someone said above to remove your world buffs. What if I have an hour to play a night and you make it so I can’t get to and do my instance for 20. So I have to just bow out. Where you a better person somehow? Or are both those just part of rolling on a PvP server.
I agree, the boon is trash. Boons should be PVE server items only. The benefit is choosing to play your character, over a parse. World buffs should be a community/guild thing.
Depends on if I am playing my Horde or Alliance characters, when I am playing Horde its sorta hard to kill them unless they come down to Gurubashi Arena for some fun.
As for the formality of a duel, sometimes I do this but other times I am out “ganking” even if I don’t have a gang to kill with.
Layering is somewhat of a different animal but the chronoboon and pvp system changes were lowest common denominator moves (albeit for different reasons) that never should have happened. But, y’know, WoW players.
One was so posers could exploit content and the other was because posers were exploiting other players. So as per usual, Blizz rewards one and punishes the other and we all get a watered down game as a result.
Id like to point the finger solely at Blizz but these were responses to incessant player whining and incessant player abuse so perhaps their hands were forced on account of player entitlement and ineptitude which is so rampant its become damn near absurd to suggest or imply there are two separate audiences (edit: classic/retail).
Layering is an unfortunate compromise when server management/identity is of no priority to Blizzard or players. I dont love it but I cant say it has zero merit or uses at all. Also, its one of those things that can be turned on and off as necessary.
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Your fantasy server is never going to exist because you’d be one of ten people playing on it.
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You’d rather. That’s just how it is.
ROFL you’re joking right?
Just say you are a loser that only ganks people with WBS, when you have full gear, several people with you. Thats it. We know you farm lowbies too Upright, you are joke that cant even PvP.
Sand Marshals were a thing before the new pvp system.
Chronoboon enhances the open world. People aren’t afraid to lose their buffs.
You yet again are crying about things you have no clue about. Do you actually play this game?
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