Argueing for cheating(exployting) is just as
wrong as cheating itself.
There needs to be no question how it impacts people but how to prevent and punish it.
What have the following three words in common:
…right, they all have an inherently negative connotation.
There needs to be no question how it impacts people
Actually there does… If something has no effect on anybody else, then I don’t think it can be a bad thing, and I think it’s immoral to punish or prevent something that only impacts the person taking the action.
That isn’t the case in this scenario, but I still think it’s dumb to go and make a forum post about how bad something is when you can’t even identify how its affecting you in any way. I’m very anti-fearmongering and anti-hysteria.
Gold inflation, items flooding the auction house, Epic mounts before others on a PvP server. The list is actually quite long why Blizzard is banning those who partook of the activities.
If you do not think that cheating/abusing/exployting is bad, then there is no point in argueing with you. In that case you should start closer to the concepts of what is wrong and right.
Most people with a moral compas understand:
Fair play is good
Cheating is bad
Even if it does not affect anyone else, it is not a good idea to teach people otherwise.
Yeah Bliz remove layering… we all want 8 Hour Queue times…
OP, layering is a necessary evil for Classic.
Without it, most (if not all) of the high populated servers would be virtually unplayable, because questing/grinding would be near impossible due to so many people just being on the server trying to get the tag on a single mob or gathering node.
Not to mention the possible queue times we’d have to sit and wait in just to play if layering didn’t exist. Just the thought of waiting hours in a queue just to play, when i barely even have 3-4 hours to do so, would make me (and possibly many others like me) unable to play Classic because we can’t even get in.
i don’t like/support layering either, nor do i have to, but I accept it as a crucial part of Classic because it serves a temporary purpose. When its purpose is fulfilled, it will be gone. All we have to do, is wait.
It’s like an ugly pillar smack dab in the middle of a room that keeps the ceiling from falling onto everyone until the construction crew figure out a better way on how to keep the room supported structurally.
Ignore the man behind the curtain right? Ignore criminal behavoir as long as it isnt directly impacting you right?
Im sure you’re one of the people scamming and cheating the system and use this weak “how does it hurt you?” defense. Well it hurts everyone. You want to minimalize it so that you can continue being a leach on the community around you.
This isnt just “you play your way and i play mine”. This is a clear abuse of rules for cheaters to thrive and i hope they all burn in hell.
This is the authentic Classic experience. Oh, you’re talking about vanilla? That was 15 years ago.
I already said that it’s bad in this scenario.
Morality is actually one of my favorite topics, but I’m not going to get too deep into philosophy on the Blizzard forums.
Normalizing behaviors that can negatively impact other people is bad, but that’s why it’s important to draw the distinction between actions that affect other people and actions that don’t.
I mean, depends on the crime. Criminality isn’t indicative of morality (and I care far more about morality than legality).
No, I’m very anti-exploiting personally. I don’t want to ruin my own game experience - I’m actively avoiding even powergaming where I can, nevermind exploiting to get ahead - and contributing to the normalization of layer abuse would hurt Classic overall.
Ah yes, “if you disagree with the mass hysteria and whiners then you’re a cheater”. Excellent argument.
I have today muted 10 posts on Layering. Its starting to get really old. Perhaps people could create posts on something else, just for a change?
Disagree…? Help me understand what you disagree with, is it that people used an exploit to cheat, or that it has an impact on the community?
The post i replied to was minimalizing the cheaters by asking OP how it directly impacted him. Saying you “disagree” is disingenuous.
Agreed it needs to go NOW. Not soon, NOW.
Like changing a layer?
“Invite me, i need a new layer”
I see it constantly in World, Lookingforgroup, and even guild chat.
if you have friends you would know it exist. Its basically sharding with a fancy name.
i get invited all the time and whole citys change when i get invited.
Back in the ye ol’days of wow i didn’t have to invite people to my layer to trade or do business with them. we could just say “meet you at the AH” and we both would see each other.
I play Classic WoW for the MMORPG part of it. its not so massive if we only see a fraction of the population.
I left retail WoW because i hated sharding and anything related to it.
But you know what i hate more then that? being lied to that classic will be classic.
Dont touch the damn thing Blizz. Its a cash cow that all you have to do is ride it. No need to put your Out of touch hands on something you made great when you had talent.
I will have to kindly disagree in regards to this.
Before the release of classic, the private server scene experienced much larger populations (think 10k+ players on a single realm), without the use of layering. Sure it was hectic initially, but we also did not experience the issues we are currently facing.
Everything has its pros and cons, but in my opinion, the cons outweigh the pros on this one.
Sounds like you should just wait until phase 2 then. You knew layering was going to be implemented for launch.
Actually i didn’t know. Once i heard Classic was gonna be Classic all i did was install the game and wait. I didn’t care for any other updates blizz made because if Classic was gonna be Classic then there wasn’t much to be told. This whole layering thing caught me by total surprise.