There is just way too much cheating for conquest points grinding. When I let my sub run out in 8.1 there was obviously a lot of players horde or alliance entrenched throwing games by doing nothing allowing the other side to win. There could be other rewards but remove equipment and conquest out of it save for rated where it’s more policed. 1/4 of my team is horde or alliance mains and is throwing the game for friends so they can conquest point grind. Yay… Mount, honor points, Mogs. sure. but leave equipment entirely out of it.
Why would anyone want to compete when 1/4 or 1/3 of the team isn’t trying to win or throw the game for their friends? No gear rewards plz anymore as a catch up mechanic.
Why? Afraid to actually earn conquest via rated arena or rated battlegrounds?
My point is random battlegrounds would be popular one way or another without gear rewards. Players just like to compete, players cheating or losing intentionally puts a foul toxic spin on WoW. It’s sort of a joke to the gamer PVP community already…Why not give some credibility back to casual pvp gaming competition?
Really? I can ‘understand’ there are probably a good amount of players not doing anything contributory in BGs, but that doesn’t mean they are intentionally ‘win trading’ or something. 
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In fact, I think you’d only see queues go up if rewards are removed. Though IMO people who just want to mess around in BGs - i.e. not pursue objectives - should just do that in WM or go play classic rather than play BGs.
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It isn’t win trading per se’ but yes, players playing alts on opposite factions are throwing games with regularity since BFA’s ineption and it’s clearly still going on. I did endure as horde the win fast crowd…since losing quickly in close games meant better rewards on average per game session. Time to eliminate conquest and gear rewards entirely from casual battlegrounds. The gear is really subpar anyway. It’s just really poor sports taking advantage of the system time and again .
As far as ques are concerned, nah. People just want to compete and get their pvp on in a casual nature. It would bring back people who just want to play and compete for bgs sake . Rewards are trival as it is but far too many use it as a catchup mechanic, lol. lol.
I don’t disagree with you about the gear being subpar. Just really not sure your suggestion would actually improve things. I suspect blizz is just happy that enough people are still queuing to play BGs.
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I do understand your point of view, people generally play the pug battle grounds because they are bored not to gear. There is a minority of players that do though and they ruin it for others who would otherwise be PUGing.
Mogs and mounts are incentive enough for a lot of players . Honor levels, TITLES or whatever . Most folk who que though just want to get their pvp on and compete. Take true competition out of it though and put it in question through people not trying to win and it just becomes a carrot to incentize those who want rewards while deterring those others whom want to actually pvp/compete for pvp/competiton sake in which bg ques exist so in the first place.
Ah yes because there clearly aren’t people exploiting, wall hacking, etc. in rbgs
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Ya I don’t think what you think is happening … what are the odds that their friends are on the other side ?
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LOL Agreed, Chapper!
They’re not “throwing” the game, the people who aren’t contributing are likely AFKing the same way lazy players AFK through LFR. It has nothing to do with “allowing” the other team to win. Is it poor game play? Absolutely. But it doesn’t have anything to do with aiding the opposing team.
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I think it is much more likely that they just suck.
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Yep all horde ‘lose fast’ player responses.
A genuine third of your team doing nothing at all and no one votes to report AFK. Something ain’t right here and why I stopped playing BGs once again in BFA.
Let’s make WoW PvP relevant again and not some bad joke across gamer communities eh? Nobody, i mean, nobody takes WoW or blizzard pvp seriously. But I suppose you Wow Players are happy with WoW PvP across the gaming community being a toxic clown show of stupidity. Par for the course eh. Great job man. Great job.
Once again Horde players want rewards they do not deserve, the theme of WoW. EZ rewards by cheating and godmode. LOSE FAST FOR BETTER REWARDZZZ!!! Our alts play Alliance (or horde for that matter) and lose intentionally so my fav faction wins and gets conquest points, ahahahahahha. We tricking everyone making fools of blizzard staff and the opposing faction.
Did you eat lead paint chips as a child?
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There whole basis of your argument depends on the totally false statement that player’s are helping friends on the other side win.
I’ve never been in a bg or arena where some players intentionally lost the match “for their friends”. Some people will lose on purpose because they give up or to spite toxic jerks on their side, but for their friends on the other side? Bull!!
How do you pull that off? How do you queue into the same match?
- You can’t control the matchmaker.
- You don’t control how many games are in progress.
- You can’t control how many other people are also sitting in the queue.
- You can’t control if players currently in a running match are going to quit and you getting made their replacement.
Dude if you get put into a bg with a friend on the other side, hell go buy some lottery tickets because today you are very lucky.
And frankly, you don’t need to do a single arena or bg to hit cap. 2 CTA, 2-3 battle of Naz, 2-3 Faction Invasions, maybe a chest (which are easy to find now with flying) and you’re done.
No one cheats at bgs for conquest unless they’re an idiot.
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Discord guilds and VC guilds have been a bit factor in the past 10 years. There have been always horde players playing alts on alliance who just sit there not trying to win cuz…team HORDE!!! They be FEELING good about helping their bros on team Horde win. HAHAHA. stupid alliance I be tricking ya all and throwing the games CUZ dumb alliance. I feelz good to throw games and ruin alliance day. I’m sadly deadly serious. I used to main horde but I got disgusted by their tactics. Not that in specif Players on alts do with regularity throw games for their preferred faction and brag…while doing so. I may or may not be in VC channels for horde to this day, but i will say i was definitely in the past. Most guilds big guilds have an alliance and horde branch these days. People are throwing games on purpose. Cuz HORDE. Though could easily be alliance and likely on classic alliance doing the same. It’s the worst it’s ever been . Just stop rewarding conquest for unrated play for queing for unrated play entirely. There might be maybe a few in 100 games that are actually competitive and still likely are still decided by lose fast derpy gamers or hahaha my kill count playas not trying to obtain objectives.
Most casuals, and shockingly so and paying customers mind you, just want to play to win for fun. Even if no real tangible rewards there will still be low lifes throwing games cuz, hahaha, horde/alliance!!! But it will be more marginalized at least if no conquest and gear rewards are given. It’s the worst it’s ever been in WoW history. Likely Cuz conquest and gear rewards are a small factor in accelerated gearing up. Remove that and it likely will go back. Still derpers will que thinking they are spies or something sabotaging the other teams efforts. I will say Horde nor Alliance I always played to win and BFA is the breaking point . Maybe half actually play to win now and many play to lose it’s a g’d SS.
In all the drunk, delusional ramblings you just spewed onto the forum this was the only thing approaching an intelligent statement, although completely erroneous.
Try non-factor.
The gear rewards from casual pvp is garbage. You’re more likely to get crafting mats than gear. And gear from weekly caps takes 10 consecutive weeks to go from the bottom rung of item levels to the equivalent of a mythic 10 piece for a person who does not do rated pvp.
You can get far more gear faster by spamming mythic 10 dungeons and your weekly mythic chest will have Titan Residuum to buy Azerite gear.
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I remember a wsg rbg (like mop or wod) were the efc reaches our graveyard and then just starts climbing an invisible stair case into air. Good times /s
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I mean you can sorta do it, but timing and luck. I do it sometimes vs friends on horde side. If I see someone on my btag spam queing bgs I can wait about 7-10 min depending on the time then que myself. I’ll catch them 50/50.
Then I usually just harass them for the first few minutes just to troll a little