I’m responding to someone who said Frost is bad in RBG’s.
Mes, or rather a Frost DK did take a few series in the AWC - all against other melee cleaves. It’s not favorable against a caster cleave when you can do WW/Fire, or another roster change in their arsenal.
Those abilities are fantastic.
Oh, then that is false. Frost has great Mass CC! Very useful in RBGs. 
Arenas, not so much.
But by design its supposed to be favorable against casters. Its currently not because to much of its power is in chillstreak and not its actual core damage buttons
This isn’t an argument for DK’s being top tier - we, like many others have weak spots.
With that said, you still get chill streaks off on caster comps - you just die getting there.
I’ll never understand why blizzard removed our powerful core abilities in place of weak dots. Fdk used to hit so hard. Now we got slash damage and 50% of the time it works every time chill streak. All while we “obliterate” for 1.3k off KM. It’s sad.
No you dont fam, You get the most scuffed ones ever when you do. And all of your pvp power is basically condensed in that ability
We arent even close to top tier, We arent really even in the meta but we synergize well with a meta class which is literally the only reason you see them at all
We dont just have weakspots, we have crippling vulnerabilities
Wait, if FDK synergizes well with meta specs, that means they are part of the meta. If these specs do better, or the team does better because of the FDK then it by all means is meta. You cant have FDK in the meta and say its not meta, that just doesnt make sense.
Because those meta classes dont need to play with the DK to be meta, They can play better comps for them like ww fire mage
Dk needs the meta classes to be in the meta, If i play with anything except a ww monk my class isnt able to hold its own
Stop acting like you have even the slightest clue as to what youre talking about
To be in the meta, which makes them meta. So what, people found the paper to beat rock, so mystifying. So instead of complaining that paper beat rock, how about try to find scissors and put yourself in it?
Your analogies are childish
You also cant seem to grasp complex ideas similarly to a child
If our class is meta not because our class is good but rather because a class that plays good with us is meta, Thats not representative of dks current state or justification for a lack of changes to the spec
If our class is only partially in the meta with the real meta classes because of 1 overtuned niche ability and not because of being strong at the core and fundamentals of the spec thats also a problem
Your ignorance on this topic leaves me breathless and again its because youre inexperienced like i always say. That is why you should seriously stop talking because you literally have no idea firsthand the kind of s*** fdk has to deal with in competetive play because you arent good enough to get there. Unlike you I actually have personal experience with the issues that plague this class and spec and I have quite a bit more insight on how to go about changing and solving these problems than you do. You argument doesnt even hold ground especially considering even mes goes on about how he thinks frost is in a poor spot and could use some changes and buffs.
Its easy to see how poor frost is doing when spell cleaves are beating it. Literally death knight was designed to be a counter for casters but here we are being countered by the very thing we were designed to counter. Ironic
Why are we counted by casters? Its a mix of them being more insane than they should be and tanky, as well as all of Frosts pvp power and pressure being packaged into chillstreak
Shift chillstreak damage to fdk core abilities and suddenly it stops losing to caster cleaves because its damage isnt reliant on a niche that casters counter heavily
Suddenly its kit that counters casters starts to matter again because they deal the damage they should be dealing when given uptime on a target. The casters should have to spend the whole game running away from the swirling ball of death thats originally what was intended for the class. You were meant to run from a dk not facetank its damage
So then healers wouldnt be meta if they work well with a meta pick? Frost dk isnt meta because it works well with a meta pick? Sorry but a singular spec does not make a meta, its things working together.
This is just how meta works, in multiple games not just WoW. Im not even going to read your entire rant, you just want FDK to be OP. Thats it, if you cant perform in pvp without a class being OP then its you.
You absolutely can get it off casters - even when they’re prepping for it.
You’re going to say that in your push in glad range, you didn’t get off chill streaks on casters? You and I both know you did.
Yeah, I agree - we’re not top tier, is there anyone arguing that?
My qualm is when people sit there and play the victim instead of figuring out how to adapt to it. You can play with a Ret, War, WW, or even a DH for the few that actually play. May not be meta, but you can still make it work.
Healer isnt comparable because its a different role but good try, Healer is harder because it literally does depend on both its teammates to play good ontop of himself. He cant win the arena alone so the burden is on him to make sure the other two people stay alive to do it
Usually it would be the combination of two specs that makes things work but again your failure to understand complex ideas stops you from understanding my main point.
DK is not meta. DK can participate in the meta because of some specific utility it has that uniquely interacts with the classes that are actually CURRENTLY the meta. That means dk is not good, But rather just not bad enough in its utility that when the class it synergizes with is strong enough it wouldnt be a total burden
Frost is not good. That is a fact. Unlike you im actually in the 99.9% of frost death knights that play pvp. Thats a statistical fact. And you have my word that this class is a joke and that ive thoroughly explained why. You can throw the hissy fit all you want but everyone here hates you so its not like anyone gives a flying 
about what you say or think
Im trying to achieve change in the spec good enough so that the average joe like yourself can achieve a fair rating on a spec that should be good enough to do so. Im trying to get the spec changed in a way that would improve its design over just accepting bandaid changes like yourself or accepting dumb bad designed abilities like chillstreak such as you do. You cant see how unhealthy abilities are like that because you literally dont play at the percentile i do
Almost every single arena ive lost has been to caster cleaves. You dont play at this rating thats why you dont understand man. Dont take that personally or like im coming at you i genuinely want you to understand because if you did then you would see how unfun this gameplay is. I want to stream or record some videos literally just to show people what it actually looks like
And to note there is still a HUGE difference in skill between r1 players like mes and like you see at the awc and how they play and how players who normally que 3v3s are. So to display that heres an analogy
Lets say at 3k rating+ double warlock is meta and all the awc and r1 players play lock. And because the players are just so good at lock they know how to abuse all the things that truly make it strong
But at 2700 you see a lot of double melee cleaves that destroy some double lock teams. That would be the meta for 2700 and likely normal wow because the lock players arent quite as good as the people theyre trying to mimic. And possibly because they cant mimic those r1 players perfectly they dont get the full effectiveness of their class out and cant succeed past what they should normally counter
So if MES is saying Fdk is bad, And IM saying fdk is bad, How do you think people who arent as good as us (no flex) feel about this class? They cant simply get chillstreaks they arent good enough, And yeah i agree they should strive to get better but in the same sense its not their fault that SO MUCH of their power is tied into abilities that are as poorly designed like chillstreak
I havent been reading your rants because they are just that. Rants that include insults and a stroking of your own ego.
Is frost participating in the meta? If so, then they are a part of the meta because they bring something of value to the table.
Please stop Kelliste. Chill streak is bad, we all know it. Chillkills is a good dude and clearly excellent at wow pvp. Just for once, stop arguing.
Explain how its bad. Because the only thing I see that would make it bad is that it takes setup and people cant actually pull it off. Dont blame the spec on the fault of the person at the keyboard.
edited. im not even gonna argue anymore.
Because im not a complete moron that cant read like you guys imply all the time. So explain how its bad other than it taking setup to use and people cant actually do it because they dont know how to set it up.
I literally did explain how it was bad but you literally said yourself that you wernt going to read it so here we go again you just being an idiot lol