I’ll die on this hill when I say Mag’har orcs , Lightforged Draenei, pandarens & night elves all should not be warlocks.. their entire lore is literally them defying evil & dark magic especially considering when a mag’har orc touch’s fel they turn green & lightforged Draenei are literally holy infused.
It’s not like Warlocks drink the fel, they contract and enslave demons to do their bidding. Lightforged Draenei could be a Mage who masters the art of fire and enslaved a demon on the side to fight other demons.
Ok im down if we remove Tauren rogue as well.
Yeah they are all perfect clones with no personality or bad decisions ever made. None of them could ever be individuals who go down a different path in life.
This is such a shallow boring take on races.
It looks like the dev team couldn’t care less about lore, the more race change options the more money they can make.
They probably don’t care at this point, sorry op.
The entire premise of Warlocks as a class is defying your cultural standards for power.
If anything these races make the most sense to be Warlocks because they’re the ones most affected by the Legion, and by association the ones who understand the power fel offers better than anyone.
lore argument, don’t care ![]()
in my head I hear the voice of Tatoo, from Fantasy Island, “The Lore! The Lore!”
with so many writers, devs and also 20+ years of wow, the lore is on a permanent vacation.
There’s established lore precedent for their inclusion.
Creating new story branches that shape what’s acceptable is not a retcon. It’s transformative writing.
Stagnation is the enemy of progression.
also, this is a video game. it is not historical fiction. the primary concern should be gameplay, not how closely the game fits an imaginary history.
They’re not going to remove race/class combos that are already in the game, especially after the players demanded removal of those limits. The whole point of being a warlock is that for most races, you’re an outlier who focuses on gaining power and operates outside of cultural norms.
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It is not. That’s only Lightforged, and the writers went out of their way to explain why one of them would become a warlock.
The Mag’har fled their version of Draenor because they were being hunted by followers of the Light, and their members include the Shadowmoon, who are avid dark magic practitioners. In fact, as warlocks draw power from the Void as much as the Nether, it can be assumed that Mag’har warlocks are all Shadowmoon in canon.
Night elves using dark and destructive magics isn’t anything new. They already had demon hunters, Druids of the Flame, Nightmare druids, and Primalists. A few night elves turning their backs on Elune after Teldrassil’s destruction and becoming warlocks makes perfect sense.
Pandaren aren’t exactly the purest race, and I doubt there’s anything stopping one from learning how to summon a wrathguard if they wanted to.
I’m not 100% in the rule of cool camp and appreciate coherent narrative, but I also agree that this is a fantasy MMORPG and doesn’t need to 100% adhere to lore for the purposes of gameplay.
It’s fine to bend the rules for players.
Warlocks, the class everyone dislikes and doesn’t trust in lore but is understood their necessity. What race has a culture that 100% supports Warlocks and doesn’t at least shove them into a corner?
This “hill” of yours is literally just you holding up a sign that says “I have a lore opinion but I haven’t read, watched, or done any of the quests in-game or out-of-the-game providing context of the lore!”
My guy … yes, as cultures neigh on every single race in the game have a reason why they don’t like warlocks. There’s quite literally just three-four playable races that wouldn’t have any objections to warlocks: Forsaken, Vulperan, Dark Iron Dwarves, and maybe Earthen.
Individuals become warlocks, not entire races.
Learn some lore and when there’s an entire relevant and extremely prominent questline in-game to explain the lore … might be an idea to do the questline before commenting on said lore.
It isn’t even a “lore argument” as much as it is them telling everyone that they have no idea about anything related to any race or warlocks at all.
I think it’s more that mag’har, lightforged draenei, and void elves were stupid additions as separate races if a prerequisite for their existence is supposed to be “they mustn’t interact with a building block of the game’s universe”. So the next best thing is having them be recent class converts.
Though, and maybe this is a hot take, night elf warlocks are relatively less bad than demon hunters. While both classes are ultimately about taboo magics that might go against your culture, DHs take that to another level by actively corrupting yourself as part of the process to be one, while warlocks are “only” trying to exert control over it. But the DH class was never going to launch without nelves having the option specifically because of playing off of Illidan.
With how quick so seemingly many people are to write off the notion of narrative coherence it’s no wonder the story became the giant heap of garbage it is.
My only stipulation there would be giving us a better window into the way warlocks are made to exist within their respective societies, what level of freedom they have or how their upbringing influences the way a member of one race approaches a class compared to another.
But that’s kind of a broader issue I have with WoW’s worldbuilding, so the easier short-term solution is to just assume the players are extreme outliers and don’t necessarily need to be represented by the story. I just find that a tad boring and I wish Blizzard would add more substance to the world.
Sounds good. Thanks
Let everyone be anything. Anyone can teach with a sufficient amount of booze.
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then you may want to ban them being able to use the spec of shadow for a priest.
Do you see why game mechanics matter more than contrived class/race “lore”?
And who says they can’t learn to be such things?
Also, night elves literally become demon hunters… you know what those are right?
Like, the literal figurehead and leader of demon hunters, Illidan, is a night elf. Night elves being able to use fel and crap is literally some of the oldest lore we got.
And why can’t pandaren be warlocks? Are they somehow immune to fel and doing demonic summoning? Does it somehow contradict what they are? A pandaren warlock is no different than a human warlock.
You know, the race you play that has a canonical powerful connection with the light? I mean hell, it makes more sense for pandaren to be warlocks than humans by lore.
lightforged are just a reskin, if a draenei can be a man’ari, there really isn’t a reason a lightforged can’t be a warlock. Fel and light do not oppose each other in the sense that combining them equals big boom or something. Just like how combining light and shadow doesn’t.
As for the orcs…
Well, dark magic is something they already do, so a not green skin warlock isn’t off the table.