Why would I play sod? They destroyed the health of battlegrounds, which is the primary reason i play the game at all. The raids are a means to pvp for my circle of players.
“if you think my grey parses matter then you’re a bigger noob than me” lol 
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Oh look! Another random troll that doesn’t play SoD either. Funny how the non-players love to yap the most 
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Parsing makes everyone look stupid because we play with those people and they think theyre correct in their assumptions that parses matter
parses do matter to people who are trying to improve or compete.
they dont matter to people not in those two camps.
really though i used to play this shaman in tbc as ele and even though i did purple parses or better for some fights i was miles behind in sheer output than blue parsing mages /wars/rogues.
it was frustrating knowing that me playing to the top of what the class was capable of was no more of an impact that a blue parsing person playing in the top 55% of their spec/class.
focusing on sheer output may be silly to some but it feels bad not being able to do much more and being outclassed by someone playing less well than you.
edit to add:
it will be interesting to see if people intentionally bringing more than 20 out parse everyone else due to fights being shorter.
maybe they can do a category for 20 man and under on wowlogs?
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They will either make 21+ invalidated or add a 20s 30s 40 category, but thats more work than needed.
Wanting to get better at the game is fine, but a large portion of the time people who are either just not good at video games, or using your method of actually getting better by practicing what other parsers do get bombasted and ridiculed or straight up harassed about being bad or trash.
Remeber that the end goal of gaming in general is to have fun for AND with everyone. I suppose I see parsing as a very far 3rd.
meh . people need to find what i call “little pockets of goodness”.
little pockets of players of like mind or filled mostly with players who dont harass you or at the very least they try to help you get better.
playing to win or get better and complete content is not a bad thing at all. its alot better when you do it with people of like mind though.
the friction only comes when someone is vastly out of their league in their chosen group and not even trying to improve.
raid with people of like mind and you get rid of most of the friction.
I do agree but for some people it just doesnt click for a few tries at least.
There is of course a breaking point but I feel like parsing is used more frequently than it should to chastise instead of encourage a different direction (of which I understand there are people who will stonewall you attempting to do so).
i raid with a mix of players who are of varying skill levels.
some are very very good some are mid some are low.
the biggest source of friction in my guild is people not trying their best. if some are lower skill level as long as they are trying and showing up to raids its fine.
its when people dont show up to raids and raid log without earning it that people have a problem.
even still we dont just nuke those people from orbit and harass them. they just seem to filter themselves out naturally.
alot of people can recognize when they arent in the right place and they slowly stop coming even if you dont mention it to them.
people would do well the heed that feeling most of the time unless they want to get better or try harder.
theres no need to harass people about stuff they cant control.
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jokes on you. in era+som all 40mans were actaully scaled for 20man but ppl just suck so blizz stamped “40-man raid” lol. this isnt even a change. rather blizz giving its customers copium lmao
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Thanks everyone for posting and for the feedback. I understand you all about the flex and bring more friends or guildies into BWL raid. What i am against is to bring more players for the raid that is designed. If the raid is for 20 players with all their new powers and even wbuffs, if you bring more people is like breaking the game. What they should add in this case is a system that grows the damage and heal of the bosses for every player the encounter has, for example. We saw yesterday in the ptr fights of 15/20 seconds of 40 ppl zerging the bosses and making an actual tier easier than LFR retail, and that is just sad and devalue the game. Because why you want to be prepared, farm every prebis or mc item, if you can bring 40 zergs and destroy the raid? The whole SoD concept is in danger because of this.
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‘‘in era+som all 40mans were actaully scaled for 20man but ppl just suck so blizz stamped “40-man raid’’
You are completely wrong.
Classic 2019 was nerfed content, as happens in every expansion once a tier is released, the previous is nerfed. We received Molten Core, Blackwing Lair and Ahn’Qiraj NERFED, not scaled to 20. Naxxramas wasn’t nerfed, and thats why every normal guild struggled against Sapphiron, Loatheb, 4 Horsemen and any other encounters.
SoM was not scaled to 20 in every single tier and not nerfed. It was hard indeed, No World buffs and some boss upgrades and mechanics, many horde guilds couldn’t clear even Molten Core due to high fire damage from Ragnaros. Blackwing was easier, but even ppl struggled to clear it for the few weeks. In any case and in the end, it’s completely false that those both contents were scaled to 20, just don’t lie to folks here.
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I’d be fine if they allowed it to be 20-25 but I am guessing this is just easier. It dilutes the drops so whatever
No. Only if they give more loot like Heat 3 MC would this make sense, otherwise, flex is a good idea and a nice compromise for content that most people cannot even complete on the easiest setting.
Just create your own raid sized to 20 where is the problem? U mad because random Pug Will be clearing bwl ? Play your own Game and let others play how they want. You cry because hc mode, heat mode, Flex mode.
Just go back to era
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Exactly. I want pugs to be able to clear content.
You don’t need to go to era to play the normal tier with no flex mode you just have the whole expansions of the game, even Mythic on Warr Within. And even if you on flex mode, the raid will be hard with more ppl in, with a limit.
In 20 years i have never seen an “20 persons content but you can enter with 20 more” so with this logic, why not 80? Or 120? The limit is the sky.
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The number of drops doesn’t scale up like it does with flex in retail.
So there’s an obvious disadvantage to just bring more people.
lol nobody in SoM was killing sapphiron with 20 players, buddy.