Removal of factions?

Did Blizzard miss the boat with SL? It would have been perfect, both factions going down into SL together to fight a united front against a common enemy? Or would it still be possible for this to happen later at some stage?

My main, on Horde, has a great guild, a great server and has many options to play with either raiding, M+, PVP or whatever there is to do just in my guild. Along with the additional horde players I can never fail to find a group if I need.

And as time goes on you see more and more evidence players are moving to horde. The reported server numbers on external sites, the raid rankings, IO M+ ranks and the posts people make here. But why are they moving? Some people still say racials are a reason, this may have been back in the day, but not so much now given how little a racial actually does.

Void elves probably have the best PVP racials and over on my server the number 1 IO ranked DK (ranked 47 in the world as blood DK) is a vulpera, who many say has one of the worst racials.

My guild recently moved, we did not move to horde but instead moved servers, and it would be the same reason many people move servers and at times factions. My old server was dying, the top handful of guilds (all horde) started moving and we found it very difficult to recruit new players and keep raiding and when the 3 of the top guilds (including the only guild who was regularly clearing all mythic bosses) were the only ones left, we moved, and than the last 2 guilds moved.

After checking the last progress on mythic any guild has made on that server I see that some progress has been made by 2 guilds in the last week, both horde with no alliance guilds having any mythic progress. Looking at heroic there was one guild with some progress within the last 2 weeks with 8/12 kills (no alliance), and on normal the only progress within the last month has been 3/12 over 2 weeks ago, still no alliance progress.

It’s no wonder all the guilds have been leaving, when there is that little happening we want to go where the players are, and it would be the same for alliance, if you look at the top X number of anything it is mostly horde. But do you think that is fair? For Blizzard not to be taking action to stop one faction from almost being non existent?

It’s not like there are not alliance guilds and strong servers, over on Frostmourne which is one number 1 for alliance on OCE has one horde guild on 3/12 mythic, but than 148 alliance guilds with mythic progress, 25 of which have cleared the entire place.

The issue though for most players is there are X number of servers with such a thin spread across them all, but in OCE there are 2 main servers and a couple of connected lower population servers no one really plays on, so finding the right server for your faction is very easy to do. Over on US and EU, not so easy with many more servers.

Instead of simply letting players take the lottery in what faction and server they play on, why don’t we finally do away with factions? Or at the least allow cross faction with guilds and the AH? It would certainly help players who are not sure if they want to move, more so if they want to pay to move, and if moving is even the right option because they could be leaving friends behind and if they don’t find the right fit it could be worse and end up with more players leaving.

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Yeah that would be sweet! I wouldn’t mind some of those cool horde ppl up in my raid groups.

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Alpha spoilers below:

Don't say I didn't warn you

New Class Trial scenario has Horde and Alliance fighting each other on airships in Icecrown on their way to ICC to see what happened to the Lich King. Alliance gets jumped by Scourge, then Horde. Horde gets jumped by Alliance only.

This would be the same scenario you get when you boost a character?

Yeah.

Where they only let you choose one spec (maybe 2 for some classes), you have to do a basic tutorial to learn your abilities, etc. You can do this on any new character but they expire after a couple hours if you don’t boost them.

I’d just like a ‘defect’ or ‘neutrality’ option. Keep Horde and Alliance as separate factions, but make it possible to make a character of any race to join the other faction or else just be neutral so they can talk/group with both (but say disable pvp on that character except in an already FFA situation where anyone can attack anyone regardless to make it fair).

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Yes but for people who dislike this give the option to auto uninstall game and download ff14

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The factions will never be removed. They’re a main pillar of this game, and have always been, and there’s far too much unfinished business with some of the races to ever consider some kind of permanent truce. And that’s how it should remain. Horde vs. Alliance is here to stay.

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Warcraft is based on the horde fighting the alliance. The entire concept of the game is driven by it. Terrible idea to get rid of factions. The war is why I am here.

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Lol is this real? Sounds like the faction lore is quickly going no where as usual.

I for the life of me will never understand how anyone whos played this game as long as I have and still enjoys this story telling. Not saying to remove factions but holy heck this is getting old.

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Baine?

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It’s been asked before and Blizz has no plans to remove the factions or the barrier between them. It’s too central of a thing to WoW’s world. The war’s over and they’re trying to settle into a truce, but they’re far from best buddies right now. And for gameplay too they still want the clear division between players.

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WHATS YOU SPOIL?!
Seriously what? Its the SAME thing we have had for ever now. You mean to tell me anyone is going to be remotely surprised at this? Nothing is changing…

People keep saying this, but that was for warcraft 1 and 2 with the OLD Horde controlled by the burning legion and the old Alliance which was mostly humans and dwarves only.

Warcraft 3 was all about coming together to fight the bigger enemy and moving beyond faction gripes. Most of the WoW storyline has also been moving beyond the factions to come together to fight the bigger evil.

Infact multiple times the lore and characters had to regress just to keep the faction conflict going, and in my opinion the weakest stories we’ve had in WoW have been the ones centered around the faction conflict.

I honestly think people get too focused on the word “WARCRAFT” and think it means Alliance and Horde must forever be fighting each other when really the faction conflict was initially in WoW’s history a complete after thought.

I don’t think the factions should go away, but they should definitely allow some cross faction grouping at this point. It would help solve a ton of problems that the game community has right now.

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Lol sure dude, I will fix this ‘thrilling plot device’. Would not want anyone to get spoiled from something thats not even changing one bit.
Go ahead and flag it so it gets auto removed though if you want, they pay as much attention to here as they do the story anyway.

Thanks for fixing it.

I didn’t say it was good writing or even remotely surprising, but some people get weird about spoilers, so I try to respect that.

That would make zero sense. The Alliance and Horde are enemies. They are not going to trust each other to cover each other’s back in dangerous situations like dungeons or raids. Talk about world-breaking.

And before anyone says but they group up to fight common enemies, no they don’t. Their leaders become allies and they fight on the same side but not together. There are no Alliance/Horde military squads who have learned to overcome their inbred distrust and now can fight together as a cohesive unit.

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It will be horde vs. nobody at this rate. Can’t fight a war when there is no one left to fight for you.

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How would refusing to progress a 14 year old story not make any sense?
You can argue that you are entertained by the lore not changing, I could argue that is boring, but where would it flat out not make sense?

I could write a story for both the factions to escalate into an actual meaningful war (not what BfA gave us) and for them to make peace 100%. Its just a lack of imagination not being able to make sense out of either situation.

You ever watch…any anime where the protagonist and antagonist later become friends? You just write up to that point.

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Blizzard like to bang on the drum of Cooperation, and the end of factions and in-fighting. But they are too cowardly to actually cut the rope.

Too many people are overly attached to the concept of alliance or horde.

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