Reminder to take the BfA uproar with a grain of salt

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Oh cool, they are addressing these issues we’ve pointed out nearly 6-8 months ago in the alpha and beta? How about instead of just addressing the issues they actually work toward fixing them.
Azerite traits will continue to be the worst problem until they allow switching on the fly, and thier availability is only an issue because Personal loot is a thing for guild groups (it should honestly be guaranteed to drop 1 on the respective bosses instead of an even worse dice roll than we’re used to). I don’t see and Holy Paladin class tuning nor anything that would suggest they’re looking at us gameplay wise so :shrug:, guess I’ll just have to wait until 9.0 to see what they remove then.

Might I suggest a business model that doesn’t revolve around monthly subscriptions if players are being told to wait months to only see a problem half-fixed?

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I’ve never seen anyone critical of the game or Blizzard say they think it’s being intentionally done to sabotage the game. The only time I ever see this argument posted or brought up is by people defending the game who claim those criticizing the game are making that argument. But where?

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I’ve never played an expansion less than this one. I stayed subbed for WoD far longer, even.

With regard to the upcoming patch, Azerite Gear is still going to be a fundamentally bad system.

Class design will still be in its worst state ever and so on.

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Sorry, the majority of the uproar and criticism is well-deserved.

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Yes, I do, actually.

What’s the other explanation? That they’re just stupid? I don’t buy it.

In no other expansion have they forced through so many universally negative changes, all the while plugging their ears and yelling “LALALALALALALA WE CAN’T HEAR YOU!”

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Blizzard is making design decisions based on time played and money instead of fun. They aren’t TRYING to run wow into the ground but they are based on the terrible greedy design decisions they’ve been making.

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We can like blue posts though? O.o

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Thinking for one’s self also means taking the posts supporting BFA with a grain of salt. What I find most bothersome is that most of the “uproar” posts exist to point out problems with how the game currently works, whereas most “supportive” posts simply exist to discredit the opposing view.

Instead of suggesting that I shouldn’t believe the swathe of people who are unhappy with BFA, why not, instead, support why I should believe you?

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Well, they’re doing something terribly wrong if pretty much everyone I know is letting thier subs run and and everyone else only logs on for raid and a single M+

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do I think actiblizzard is trying to kill their game? No

do I think they unintentionally may do so? very much so

Legion was a solid 9/10 there were a few things that could have been tweaked but overall it was a pretty awesome expansion, whenever I compare that to BFA I can’t help but think the ball was dropped. They need to listen to alpha and beta testers, their there for a reason and they’ve ignored them a lot this expansion. and for a few specs in legion (which they had to quickly buff). listen to your damn testers, I wish I could shake this into the devs head more.

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So is your suggestion unsub and try again later when things are looking better.

Because you aren’t stupid you know what the problems actually are and by stating that 8.1 won’t fix it then you have a different problem how long should the player base wait? 8.2? 8.3?

I think the player base has been very patient with the WoW team they want to see this game do well and several people I know are just waiting to see what 8.1 has to offer. But both you and I know that it won’t be nearly enough to address many peoples concerns.

The only saving grace you may have is people might wait for the next raid and if that raid is good at least the people raiding won’t be on your back as hard.

Now if you bungle the new raid and its mediocre or even terrible you going to have a massive problem.

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I am currently doing that. I honestly only sign in if my static is on.

They are rarely popping on like once a week. I am curious on how many people are doing that currently

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This is the situation I’m in. The biggest problem with BfA is that it seems like a step backwards from Legion. This expansion feels like it would be progression if it came out after WoD and then Legion would be a progression over this one.

Every element it has seems like a downgrade from Legion:

  • The Azerite system is a downgrade from the Artifact/Legendary system.
  • Classes feel slower and weaker compared to Legion with the pruning of abilities and the addition of GCDs.
  • The mission table is a complete downgrade with lower rewards, lower missions, removal of seal/raid missions, Rep not being given in token form, lack of followers AND follower equipment, etc.
  • WQs are the same. No upgrades, they just feel exactly the same, except no more instant group addons which make it slower and duller.
  • PvP largely the same. The scaling issues with the removal of templates is a problem. I watched a video of a Rogue with ilvl290 gear except for 370 azerite and MH weap and the scaling was causing him to hit healer for over 100k damage.
  • A LOT of bugs. Pretty much every new system added has been broken and required emergency patching. EVERYONE knows BfA was release at least 2 months too early. If it’s this painfully obvious to the playerbase, imagine how obvious it is to the Devs creating the game. They were NO DOUBT pressured by their corporate overlords to meeting a deadline they could not meet. This is OBVIOUS.
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It’s not a matter of the highers ups intending on “running the game into the ground” but rather them forgetting who their players are and instead hopping on the current trending gaming model (loot-box). It works well for some games but not so much for others.

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I have seen a few.

The context is, “How could they have done this all so badly that they couldn’t have done worse if they were trying?”

Because on the one hand it makes no sense that they would kill their cash cow, yet the changes made are indeed making a fair sized dent in it.

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I don’t think many people really think Blizzard is actively sabotaging their game, but I do think there is something to there being the wrong person up top making important design decisions that are negatively effecting the game itself. It’s happened with Diablo 3, it’s happening now. /shrug

Too many instances of this expansion having people negatively report issues in beta with things going live, and only now do they acknowledge all the beta data(that of course got deleted) may have a point to it.

Yes, it’s important for developers to feel strongly about where to take the game and sticking to their guns, but at the same time it’s also important to understand why the game got so popular in the first place, and not try to go against these things. As an example of this, for close to 7 years people had an easy time with off-spec, which enabled people in important group roles(tanks/healers) to do other content without it being a hassle. And yet, even now with the Azerite system literally going against years of design, the developers and blues of the forum defend it staunchly.

Ghostcrawler’s design philosophy(in my opinion, someone who has played steadily since launch), always struck me as “Ok, players are complaining about x, but is x really the problem, or is it caused by y?” I just don’t get that sense anymore by decisions made or discussions from the developers about these things.

Yes, Legion was also a little messy when it first launched, but this expansion has been a flat out mess, and if you read between the lines(say, Blizzard suddenly having a promotion a month into a new expansion to encourage people to sub for 6 months for a reward instead of just doing it because they’re enjoying themselves), they know it somewhat as well.

I mean, hell, I LOVE trolls, as anyone of my friends can attest to(every class possible max level before this, have played since vanilla as one). This is the troll expansion, I should be online every day just loving things. Instead I find myself having no reason to play, and for the first time since vanilla started contemplating unsubscribing because of it.

stares sadly at orc statue

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I play feral - I have played feral on the PTR and feral is WORST there than live. Tell me again the classes are being fixed.

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I think most people know classes aren’t being fixed. The meta will be the same more then likely and that is just sad there is so much data screaming at them and everyone their is a massive issue.

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I don’t think anyone reasonable thinks that Blizz is trying to ruin their game. It’s more that the design decisions in BFA seem more geared towards profitability than fun. Time gating, grinds, stretching out content, more RNG and fewer currency based rewards… These things make it easier and cheaper for developers rather than more fun for the players.

Flying is a great example. Not being able to fly doesn’t increase the fun we have in the game. If that was the case, people would simply choose not to fly. Not flying makes it easier to design content and makes that content last longer.

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This would describe me, which is why it irks me when people tell me to stop trying to provide feedback.

ITERATE OR DIE!!! Honestly this is all I’ve ever asked for, that said I will always want the real picture, not the reflection on the wall (google allegory of the cave).

There was a saying about assumptions… that I can’t post here due to language.