Remember fun?

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Back in 2005 when BGs first came out my friends and I queued all the time. We loved them, in every bracket. Win or lose it was about those epic brawls, and the moment where you maybe pulled off that 3 v 1, or capped the flag, or backcapped that flag in AV.

Today things have changed, and I definitely see a schism in the player base. People care about rewards, not activities. It doesn’t matter if what you are doing is fun. All that matters if it’s efficient.

These people want 5 minute AV matches. They have a prescribed play style, and anyone who wants to actually pvp or play how we did 15 years ago is screamed at in chat. We’re literally called griefers for pvping in a pvp match. For trying to win.

I have a question for the zoomer crowd, the people pushing rep and rank. What happens when you finish that AV rep? What happens when you hit rank 10 / 11/ your goal?

I’ll tell you, because I’ve seen this in retail for over a decade. You quit, and demand more content. Only…there is no more content. Vanilla wow has very little left to offer you.

When AB launches you’ll do the same desperate efficiency grind, and will actively avoid anything like pvp if that’s what moves your bar. And then what?

You’ll have burnt yourself out on all the BGs to get gear that you can use to…what exactly? In retail there’s another dopamine hit. Another patch. Another raid. Another season.

In vanilla we play for fun. We play because we enjoy the activities. If you don’t, then your time in this game is fast coming to an end. Because in a few weeks you’ll have ground out all the points you can grind. You’ll hit your limit. You’ll max rep, and stop ranking.

And then you will come here to complain. You will rail at Blizzard.

Meanwhile I, and many, many people like me, will actually play and enjoy battlegrounds. We’ll play to win. We’ll play to have those epic fights.

You do you, but please, for the love of god, stop telling us not to pvp in the activity designed for us.

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i memba

you memba?

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i dont care for your 5h av i want the honor and rep so if there is a sign of a turtle all you have to do is…

/afk

its great you can wait the 15 and they will still be in there getting zero honor and you can make more honor then them when you get in to a fresh av.

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Playing for fun has given way to efficiency for rewards for a long time.

Just look at classic launch and spell cleave metas, xp/hour dungeon spam, hitting 60 in a week, spam running dungeons 20+ times in a day for an item.

The idea of a video game where players exist in this alternate fantasy world filled with other players has been lost to spreadsheet heroes.

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Ah, the age old bad player vs good player thread, this should be a fun one

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This is basically what I refer to as the BIS-attitude

back in the day players didn’t know what to do, or even how to play some of the time. Players didn’t know what to expect so everything was fresh and there was fun in figuring things out. Now that everyone knows everything, its become a quest to have the best stuff - the unknown is gone. All that is left is efficiency

Kinda sad but game is still fun. You won’t get that sense of wonderment unless you start playing the next great MMO to be released where everything from hidden quests to item drops is a potential myth.

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If only that woukd happen. Played a few ok ones but none that i can stand more than half a year then im bored. :disappointed_relieved:

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pepperidge farm membas

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Blizz should just save you a lot and just mail your rewards to you.

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Fun is for children. Most of us that were children then are grown adults now. We don’t have time for fun… Need to chase those rewards. Quickly.

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Well i still enjoy Spyro and the old Tony Hawk and GTA games today (Titles that run on the renderware engine mind you.), as i did back when i first played them back when i was young, and these game’s rewards are almost next to nothing in terms of tangibility… With the exception of the awesome permanent flame power up in Spyro 2 after getting 100%. Talk about a reward that is … Lit. :smirk:

/Entire stadium crowd booes at Bari.

Well have we considered the fact that going after the rewards can be fun as much just playing the game? Some people play for the sake of playing. I play ARK cause i love building stuff and i love dinosaurs and that’s reward enough. Some people play for the reward, or challenge.

That happens with all games depending on the person.

At first it can be very fun, discovering what is new. To relate my experience for the billionth time, i played GTA SA when i was a kid, and the world just seems so big, theirs so much to do, and that’s only the first island. And the first chapter of that game took like forever but i still enjoyed it. Now, looking back at my terrible ole me and looking at the present with me being an adult…

… i know it only takes like… what 29 missions at minimum to continue playing the rest of the game? and i do the missions much faster, while knowing a few tricks, tips and exploits under my sleeve cause i’ve learned so much from this game over the years. And i enjoyed the game the same, only slightly less cause the new game feeling wore off, and i know what to do this time around and how to do it efficiently.

Well i have a question to you, why bring zoomers up? Doesn’t this sort of thing undermines the point of your thread a little, especially people throw that word around willy nilly as an insult these days? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

You get exalted.

You hit Rank 10/11.

Basically, if you set your own goal and if you pass your own goal, you passed your own goal.

Well going back to GTA SA one more time, if we have found a glitch that allows us to complete the game under 30 minutes, i’m sure theirs more to find in Vanilla WoW that we might’ve missed.

Maybe next time if i fight in a battleground i’l just fight in the middle, and if anybody has a problem with that i’l just tell them “chill out bro, it is a pvp match, and i’m PvPing”.

Well even if that were true, theirs a bunch of over content to do in the meantime, and i mean over 15 years worth of content to do. And plus, if i really do want, i can level another toon, pet battle, finish some reps, RP, etc, etc.

Something tells me that you don’t really have a right to speak for everybody back in 2004.

Well this time, i would gladly rail against Blizzard, not for Vanilla WoW, but for CoD Modern Warfare craving out a standard feature that used to be in every game ever (hyperbole) and selling it (The ingame kill/death ratio.) back to us for 20 bucks. AKA solution selling.

I yet to verify this one,i only heard this from Jim Sterling who said “some CoD fans said it’s good it’s not in there cause it reduces/stops toxicity.” Regardless of which excuse, it’s just still Activsion-Blizzard being greedy with their CoD for the sheer sake of it at the end of the day. :money_mouth_face:

Good for you. I’m glad you enjoy something for the sake of it. :+1:

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in order for me to have fun, I must get rank 14 okay? How can I RP without that gear. I know how to have fun, its just this games reward systems kinda suck especially for PvP.

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And so do people. Not much you can do.

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If the next great MMO has datamining, even that wonderment won’t be there.

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i was disappointed in that. it was definitely strong, but they didnt give it to until you had done literally everything in the game

should have come sooner, there was nothing really left by the time you got it

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Here’s the actual cool part.

Start a new game after that, and bam, you get the super flame powerup on your second playthough. :smiley:

It especially helps on the Reignited trilogy where they made the Gulp Boss Battle much harder then it is on the Original Ps1, by making it ridiculously easy since the fireball stunlocks him. Pro tip: when the chicken spawns, immediately go after it regardless what health you are at.

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i didnt know about that, pretty cool i guess

personally i wasnt interested in another play through after i got 100% but i guess some people were

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Classic WoW doesn’t start at 60 for alot of people

and it doesn’t start at level 1, level 10 when they get to access their talent trees, or after you hit 40 and get your mount
no
when someone says that classic WoW starts at level 60, they really mean that it starts after you finally get your last piece of BiS forever gear from naxxramas
that is when those people FINALLY start playing for fun
and then it lasts for a few days or so, and then those people unsub and quit because there isn’t anything to do and they whine to blizzard to give them more content

they want to get to 60 as fast as possible by taking the fun out of it by doing spellcleave/melee cleave runs of SM and ZF and avoiding like 30% of the game’s content
they want to get exalted with the factions that they want rep with as fast as possible, so they don’t PvP in AV and mindlessly kill drek or vann over and over again
they want to get honor as fast as possible, so they formed gank squads where they just mercilessly camped allies to the point where they respecced just so that their instant cast spells were better so that they could get a tag on the allies before they died, until AV came out, and then they votekicked people from AV when they didn’t zerg vann/drek
they want to get raids over with as fast as possible, so they try to speedrun the raids and obsess over the damage and healing meters

if there was a P2W option, alot of these people would buy it, and, honestly, if blizzard saw xpack WoW nearing the end of its lifespan and they didn’t think another xpack would make alot of money, then they’d make a boatload of money by offering pay to win options that give you various temporary buffs that cannot otherwise be obtained, as well as BiS gear that can otherwise be obtained, and then its likely that an xpack after that would still make a decent amount of non-p2w money

what is fun to these people is achieving things and then flexing their e-peens, and they have 0 other reason to play WoW(and possibly every other video game) unless they are paid to play, and they wouldn’t even have subbed in the first place if it wasn’t a popular game in the past, even if they’d still heard about it months before Classic came out

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what about those mages that just spam frost bolt in raids the hardest job there is staying awake.

so ill tale it.