Relax RDF will be here

After all, your side makes the claim…“we are the vast majority”…

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It doesn’t matter. RDF did not cause the population to drop. It has never been shown that RDF had any negative impact on the game whatsoever.

So the majority would decide LFG just isn’t worth it. If that were to be the case, oh well. You certainly wouldn’t be worse off than that new player currently wanting to run Mara. And if you wanted to, you COULD form your own groups. At least that what I hear pro lfgers telling people on low pop servers or new players or alts, etc. It would be a matter of putting in the EFFORT, so they say. Make friends, join a guild, or as some players tell them, just don’t do it.

The difference is, you would still be able to do the content, even if you decided putting your own group together just wasn’t worth the effort.

Assumption and conjecture based on absolutely nothing. We have the same data.

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Almost like optional QoL feature is optional :stuck_out_tongue:

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Ok, here it goes; imagine we implement RDF across all servers; that’s 500k just there. You are in a server that has 20k players. Imagine all of your server is anti-RDF, your pool is of 4% of the total player base. 4% is lower than 96%, thus, from a local point of view, you make them the minority.

I’m not sure I can imagine something that fanciful.

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So, you feel the pain low pop and one-sided servers are already going though?

I advocate for SEPARATE severs, with the ORGINAL code implemented. That way, no pressure for anyone who likes this abomination to leave…“vast majority”, right?

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Ok, here it goes; imagine we implement RDF across all servers; that’s 500k just there. You are in a server that has 20k plyaers. Imagine all of your server is pro-RDF, your pool is 4% of the total player base. 4% is lower than 90%, thus, from a local point of view, you make up the minority.

Right?

Or we could imagine things like you do, and it would be exactly as you said. If we just added RDF, forget the server separation, then those pro LFGers would still be doing the exact same thing. But you have stated over and over that this wouldn’t be the case. That’s because even you recognize that LFG isn’t worth it.

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Then why did you introduced an irrelevant point to the discussion? It can’t be said whether it was good or bad for the game. I’ve never said that RDF ruined the game, and if I did, I officially take it back. It did ruin the social experience for me though, but that’s a personal opinion.

Why are we even talking about LFG? I’m not pro-LFG tool. I’m pro-socialization.

They have multiple ways to collect and analyze this data. Someone has mentioned it somewhere, hard to locate that post now.

Still, you didn’t answer the question and instead ran in circles.

How would having RDF be optional when you would reduce the anti-RDF players pool significantly?

Under the assumption that RDF would be local-server only. But it is a cross-realm system. So you are wrong. Manipulating numbers again.

I’ve never advocated for LFG, why do you keep bringing it up?

Edit: if we implement cross-realm RDF, 96% would have access to it in my hypothetical scenario.

I see “enough people” on a survey select people got? Certainly don’t see “half” “most” “all” or “most all”. And “no plans” dosen’t mean never, either.

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IF, they ever add it. And I don’t trust this company do do anything right anymore… so IF they add it, it will be all or nothing. No compromises, no half measures, no different rules for different servers… all or nothing.

Asking for compromises is a waste of time and energy.

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The part that your disingenuous argument conveniently leaves out is: It’s not optional if you want to play optimally*

Because if they added it, no one at blizz is going to remote into your PC and force you to que.

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facepalm Are you not paying attention? Its convenience would lead the majority of people to use RDF, leaving anti-RDF people with a low player base to choose from, forcing them to use the system. Human behavior, tendencies. As a consequence, not as a direct action.

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Forcing? No. It would be out of convenience.

Force
verb
to make something happen or make someone do something difficult, unpleasant, or unusual, especially by threatening or not offering the possibility of choice

An unpleasant choice is still in fact a choice.

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Anti-RDF forming a group would be difficult. It applies by definition, thank you.

Forming a group manually would be difficult with RDF in game. Good thing they aren’t forced to do so. Please see above.

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Because the DATA shows RDF has NO IMPACT on the game. NONE.

Then stop talking about RDF as though this has some social impact. Unless that is you stance, there’s no argument against it.

They have no more data on the subject than we do. The population didn’t drop, it grew. So even players that didn’t prefer it didn’t feel as though it was a make or break situation, as they did in WoD with flying. One’s enjoyment of RDF is purely anecdotal and personal. And as I said before they haven’t sent out one single survey to one single person about RDF, so they don’t even have that.

Claiming they know because they have some sort of secret, unknown data is nothing more than an assumption based on wishful thinking. This is not a fact. Facts and feelings are two different things.

Just put in the effort. Join a guild. Make friends. Be social, blah, blah. People are not running dungeons right now because they can’t find groups. And this is what they are being told.

If you were unable to put a group together on your own with RDF, that would simply mean either you’re not trying hard enough, or everyone decided LFG isn’t worth it. In other words everyone would conclude that the benefits of LFG are not worth the cost. It’s that pesky cost-benefit analysis. And that’s what we’ve been saying, RDF is way superior to LFG in every way.

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So instead of having choice most other people have to suffer getting groups on low pop servers, one-sided pop server, big servers that no one in your range is doing, so others don’t have to be inconvenienced and continue gatekeep? All the while knowing the Majority of players want it.

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Yes, that’s the definition of Force, verb. Your words, not mine.