Hello guys, complainer here.
Got kicked out of Imagine arbitrarily for asking questions about a guildie (my cousin) being kicked. I’ll leave you guys the conversation we had, judge for yourselves.
19:44 [Ourobenz]: Yo, what’s good my dude
19:44 [Ourobenz]: I was talking to killer crank and he told me to come to you
19:45 [Ourobenz]: There’s been a bit of a situation with a friend of mine, he was kicked out of the guild for apparent toxic conduct, but he was given no recouse or opportunity to defend himself
19:45 [Ourobenz]: is this something we can talk about?
19:46 [Mahez]: quing some arena atm, whats up dude?
19:46 [Mahez]: sec
19:46 [Ourobenz]: sure, we can talk on discord too if it works for you
19:46 [Ourobenz]: let me know
19:49 [Mahez]: It was multiple, seperate comments from various guild members about him, it is what it is dude. It’s not someone we want to play with or have around
19:49 [Ourobenz]: I understand, the thing is, you guys didn’t check on it, you just made a one sided decision with out any discussion, or fair process
19:49 [Mahez]: i sent him a very clear message as to why today in discord DM, he never responded
19:50 [Mahez]: Now you’re here to plead his case?
19:50 [Ourobenz]: also it argued that he was bad at the game??, how is this an appropriate argument?
19:50 [Ourobenz]: well, I’m doing it on my own accord, cause I’0m worried it can happen to me too
19:50 [Ourobenz]: if someone says I did something
19:51 [Ourobenz]: and I wont be able to defend myself, or have a decission taken by a gorup of people
19:51 [Ourobenz]: something a little bit more trasparent
19:51 [Ourobenz]: i’ve played with him quite a bit, and honestly I’ve never seen him be toxic with anyone
19:51 [Ourobenz]: I’m not saying it’s not possible, but theres been no evidence
19:52 [Mahez]: It was people we knew that he was in the run with, its not some randoms that got in touch. This is not a court of law its WoW and between the multiple complaints about him for guild members then the people that reached out, that was the call that was mad
19:52 [Ourobenz]: was this a decission you discussed with someone, or are you the one who decides?
19:53 [Mahez]: If i left the decission up to the group we would have kicked him sooner, i did talk about it with a couple of the officers
19:54 [Ourobenz]: ok, I just feel you should talk to someone before kicking him out of the guild, not just let him know you did it, but letting defend himself
19:56 [Ourobenz]: Cause right now I suppose it’s not appropriate to show the complaints, I feel it’s not trasparent enough
19:57 [Ourobenz]: so, not showing evidence, and also not letting him defend hiself makes it possible to make just arbitrary decissions
19:57 [Ourobenz]: you gotta choose one or the other
19:57 [Ourobenz]: at least
19:59 [Mahez]: Okay dude, i feel your point of view but at the end of the day, he was a bot player, that annoyed many members (productive ones), I don’t know him or you, he was a problem and not even a contributing member of the guild
20:01 [Ourobenz]: I understand, look, people like to point out others mistakes in this game, this is a common occurence, people get mad, I’m sure you’ve seen it happen, what I’m saying is, anyone can accuse someone of doing whatever, and since this is a group of people
20:01 [Ourobenz]: working together, not some sort of company that has workers, we should all have the assurance we can make our rights, or at least our arguments heard
20:01 [Ourobenz]: if not, things like what I feel is happening right now could happen
20:02 [Ourobenz]: if you don’t have a trial, and don’t make complaints public, it amkes it feel like there’s very little transparency
20:02 [Ourobenz]: and right now, even after I’ve made my arguments he0s not being offered a metting or some kind of trial worries me
20:03 [Mahez]: ive talked about this non-issue longer than i care to, either drop it, or leave
20:03 [Ourobenz]: It’s a non issue for you, ti’s a big issue for us, I don’t want to leave, I want to have answers about a huge deccision that was made
20:03 [Ourobenz]: I wont bother you anymore
20:03 [Ourobenz]: sorry, this wasn’t my intention.
I was swiflty kicked after that, no message, no reason, same as my cousin, never been toxic in my life, I make sure of that, as I hope you can see in this conversation.