Coming back after sitting out season 2, was enjoying my fury again but patch drops and reckless abandon now only empowers 1 bloodthirst per rampage? This throws the entire fluidity off. Slam’s CD isn’t low enough to keep pace and ruins the fluidity of triple BT after each rampage.
Unplayable annihilator spec.
I agree, it feels clunky and terrible to play. Not sure how this made it out of PTR.
I don’t care how much dps it pulls over raging blow/ravager build. I’m not taking the recommended Icy Vein and WoWhead build. No thanks.
I don’t find bloodthirst spam fun at all.
I have always played fury even back in vanilla. I am switching to arms anni and the nerf suck. It isn’t as fast paced.
PvE offers multiple outlets at least I was speaking more on PvP. There’s nothing to cover this rotation now and you’re facing empty global every 4 seconds and having to dump 4 more talent points into left tree to make slam not deal gimpy damage. Have to give up Defensive Stance, intervene, rallying cry, and 5% leech to deal even less damage than before.
Utterly atrocious and then gutting skullsplitter for arms after neutering its direct damage. Unacceptable.
Dont get me wrong. I love my warrior but… why they are nerfing an already mediocre class is beyond me.
On the PVE side we already bottom tier… this just makes it worse.
Clearly not enough manpower or peopel staying to test things. IDK why tier sets are compelling certain talents being chosen either.
Before spamming bloodthirst in annihilator i was spamming raging blows , and annihilator still can take onslaught and extended rage.
Doesn’t matter now, specs knocked to B- maybe even C tier for PvP post skullsplitter and bloodthirst nerf. and as you say, PvE.
The CD change from 12 seconds to 9 for slam functionally removes any gaps that could happen before, the only reason you’d be experiencing gaps with annihilator is bad play.
You also are not forced to put points in slam talents as it’s already insignificant damage wise, it’s more of a filler button during BT cooldown same as WW, it’s used only as a rage generator when BT is on CD.
Blizz specifically said Tier sets were meant to shake up the talents we use.
The Reckless Abandon “nerf” wasn’t even an actual nerf, you lose a cast yes, but they also doubled the value of the extra damage that Bloodbath and Crushing Blow had over bloodthirst and raging blow respectively.
That change means we actually get more damage in during our cooldown window as one Bloodbath is enough to allow you to rampage again when you have the double rage gain from Reck alongside other passive rage gen.
Essentially you press one Bloodbath with 136.51% Attack power into a rampage instead of One Bloodbath with 111% attack power into a rampage and wasting one charge in the process.
It’s a direct nerf to the build stacking crit chance for maintaining cold steel hot blood as well as personal healing. It’s a big surivability nerf.
Bloodbath does not have an increased Crit chance, it’s the exact same as Bloodthirst.
Both BB and BT heal for 3% there is no difference outside of the damage being front-loaded into 1 cast of BB instead of 2.
If you perchance mean that BB and BT now share a cooldown; that was a bug fix that fixed an unintended interaction.
You build crit with repeated bloodthirsts with another talent and it also helps maintain enrage and cold steel hot blood as result.
Losing a 3% heale very 4 seconds in addition to big gaps in cold steel hot blood is a huge surviviability nerf.
Do you mean Bloodcraze? That is still available to talent into and it wasn’t altered either.
You can still play that way if you want the damage is just frontloaded into Bloodbath, the CSHB uptime should in theory only go up now that we have access to higher ilvls gear, that and the new set giving us 3 100% Crit chance BT with boosted damage per OF casts.
You still get to BT as much as you used too, it’s a 4.5 second cooldown baseline and can be reduced by 0.75 seconds per stack of Deft Experience.
With 2/2 in Deft Experience BT is already a 3 second cooldown and that’s before you factor in the additional CDR that it gets from your haste stat.
Wish storm of swords didn’t touch Whirlwind. It pretty much just removes all our spam buttons.
Ive been playing annihilator/reckless abandon for the last year with absolutely no game breaking results. Now a year in they decide to nerf it. Im hanging fury up.
If you read what I wrote in this thread instead of dooming for no reason you’d understand that Reckless Abandon did not get nerfed.
15 bloodbaths a minute are lost now [1 in 4 GCD’s] and slam and whirlwind don’t even come close to its damage esp. one xecute phases.
The survivability nerf is enormous which was only thing that kept Fury swinging in a meta of wizards, as irrelevant as WoW"s tries to make PvP so.
It is a nerf because it used to empower your next TWO bloodthirsts.
They nerfed this all just for their new tier set instead of changing tier set.
bt and bb sharing a cd drastically nerfs our healing during enraged regen, which was our main form of healing. you can say that mechanic wasn’t intended, but that’s most definitely a nerf to our self healing. why are you acting as if that doesn’t reduce fury’s survivability?
The Extra damage from the second BB got moved to the first BB, why are you purposefully ignoring this part of the change?
I’m not the one saying it, Blizzard did when they explained why they changed it.
I did acknowledge it when I asked if they meant the cooldown sharing.
Why were you expect a broken interaction to go unfixed?
Bro.
Even if the extra damage got moved to 1 bloodthirst, there’s STILL the issue of not being able to triple bloodthirst.
That causes huge downtime in cold steel hot blood AND having to use slam and whirlwind over bloodthirst every ~4 seconds now.