Heh I honestly have not heard the “make SV a healing spec”. And then wonder why blizz largely ignores/neglects class forums…
It pops up from time to time. People link “survival” with combat medic and talk about shooting healing arrows/darts stimpacks and such.
Doesn’t pop up quite as often as SV tank/BM tank threads though. Those are fairly regular.
Gotta say the “didn’t try it” atgument is total BS here. I did try it several times. Hated it every time. Unless by “try” you mean attempted to get high arena rating, M+ keys, or mythic raiding. At which many mains of overperforming classes who love theirs wouldn’t even technically be considered as trying their main class.
Also just gotta say this whole Rexxar is the survival archetype thing I’ve seen in other threads is pure BS. He is and always was the BEASTMASTER!
Keep up the good work RSV loyalists. The day RSV requests and debates ends is the day SV truly dies for WoW.
Also just rename current survival to skirmisher ffs. Anyone trying to survive doesn’t throw bombs at themselves.
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Well it is certainly more intersting than the various “lets make SV a tank spec”. The idea of throwing “healing” bombs and shooting stim pack arrows just seems so outrageous that I can’t help but chuckle.
Any real “marksman” doesn’t rapidly fire off shots, either.
#https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/i-will-main-sv-hunter-in-sl/702092?u=ghorak-laughing-skull
#https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/so-survival/682299?u=ghorak-laughing-skull
#https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dual-wield-for-surv/686483?u=ghorak-laughing-skull
#https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/surv-91-rework/685429?u=ghorak-laughing-skull
#https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/allow-survival-to-dual-wield/683418?u=ghorak-laughing-skull
#https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/pre-patch-survival/678170?u=ghorak-laughing-skull
#https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/tip-of-the-spear-viable/682305?u=ghorak-laughing-skull
#https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/survival-hunter-weapon/681835?u=ghorak-laughing-skull
#https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/sv-serpent-sting-change/679249?u=ghorak-laughing-skull
#https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/kill-shot-survival/677472?u=ghorak-laughing-skull
From the last 20 days. I probably missed a few.
Nothing about RSV in these…
Discuss all you want.
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pve is not viable or wanted mostly. for pvp it is the best spec on probably the worst pvp class so there you go.
Depends on what you term “marksman” as well as distance and accuracy.
Just a quick youtube search:
Cowboy action shooters are fast and accurate at close range with different weapons.
Some archers can fire pretty rapidly with some degree of accuracy (in ye olden days they were probably really accurate since it was part of survival).
Watch some thermal hog hunts and some of the shooters are pretty fast with kill shots at running targets in sequence.
Rapid Fire does pretty well suck though.
Barrage is crap as well lol.
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Your responses to my comment doesn’t really accomplish anything, I don’t see the point of saying RSV has been here long enough to see all sorts of changes and had plenty of time to play multiple classes and specializations?
How does this remotely touch on what I have to say?
And then saying survival is very interesting is subjective while also giving your subjective opinion?
Dude, whatever. Embrace change and stop fighting it all the time.
Disses elements of survival you find unappealing I find very appealing and it isn’t really enforcing your argument or de-meriting anything I say.
Much more interesting to have a spec that uses various other hunter tools then just using a bow or whatever like the other specs, it did bring something new and interesting and a new element to express that og survival was lacking before.
This isn’t a subjective opinion, survival being changed from simply being another range spec made it interesting and stand out while giving it a plethora of other fantasy options then simply being another third spec that came down to shooting arrows.
The change was meaningful and it introduced new fantasy, but origin loyalists hate it and invoke all sorts of garbage because when it comes down to it, they hate change.
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i like how alot of them are pretty short but once things get rolling on bigger survival threads rsv always coming like a recking ball
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This is a reasonable argument. If I were a wow developer going into Legion, I would not have put any effort into introducing a melee DPS spec.
If I were developing WoW 2 from the ground up, I would definitely include something very much like MSV And RSV, and MM. I just might not have them all be in the same class.
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Totally viable with some really great m+ builds. Having better options does not make it a bad option. There are just a lot of really great options. It is basically not AoE capped which seems really nice.
And yet it makes up one of the most popular arena comps at the top end with SV/feral/x making up the majority of AWC 2020 circut week 1 comps. It’s not the best of the worst… its an extremely well performing spec. We’ll see how that fares though with pet rez. It may suck in SL, we’ll just have to see.
Uhh, that part isn’t true. One SV/feral on NA, two on EU. The majority of teams were mage/hpal/x. Also the top 4 on each region was mage/hpal/x, with one exception on EU being a DH/WW/Rsham team. The 7/8 remaining just played some version of mage/hpal/x.
Tbh while I agree with you saying SV wasn’t actually bad (I think it was good), what he said isn’t technically wrong either. Hunter prolly is the worst class for PvP if you look at it as a whole, but then SV as a spec isn’t the worst by any means. Think the wording of the argument is weird though.
SL pet rez for now though will make it unplayable competitively tho, I mean pet is super important as SV and yet pets die easily. If that wasn’t a factor the spec probably would be really good.
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Ngl. Despite of looking like a simple spec to play, sv has it’s places where if you do it wrong, you will underperform.
I remember running into multiple sv hunters during pugs over this xpac where even if they had better gear, I would outperform them by a large margin… Kinda mind boggling especially when asking them about it the main reply I would get was “how dare you question me”…
Like… Seriously???
My bad. I should have said 1/4. Which is still great representation. F2k my way, nlite, Golden Guardians and Turtle.
Golden Guardians didn’t play Jungle
Turtle (my team) was the only NA jungle
Out of the total teams 3/16 were Jungle, the, Golden Guardians mainly was Rogue Spriest (sometimes they had rogue lock and rogue mage w/ minimal success in the circuit).
First off, the length of posts wasn’t part of the argument.
Second, in most cases such as the one’s you mention, that is usually because at that point, some MSV fan have already posted some illogical justification for MSV over RSV or how RSV had no place being it’s own spec, etc. etc. It’s perfectly fine at that point for counter-arguments to be posted as well.
In other cases, where RSV-posters join in earlier, that usually happens because of the OP itself. How it in certain ways reference/points at RSV or just the history of SV. Such as when people start a topic by posting about “how they should design SV to have both a ranged option and a melee one so both sides can be happy”.
Is it always like this? No, ofc not. Sometimes certain posters join in even when the topic/discussion is not on that particular subject.
This however, is the case for both sides. Not just for MSV-topics.
And…
In literally every single topic which is pro-RSV in some way(even if it’s solely about adding it as a 4th spec) there are MSV-fans which join in to spout their usual stuff.
Compare that to the opposite side. Not every MSV-topic has RSV-fans in it. But EVERY RSV-topic has MSV-fans in it.
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Thanks for the correction. I had incorrect info.
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I really cant refute this, because its pretty absolute. But I would love to see a link to one MSV thread that doesnt have msv hate from the RSV side.
That said, I have no desire to go through every RSV thread to find one without MSV vitriol imbedded within. I will say, and it may be my imagination, that I dont think Ive ever read an RSV thread that didnt do exactly what you accuse MSV threads of doing, including 4th spec arguments. They typicslly stsrt out something like “Bring back RSV as a 4th spec- MSV is wildly unpopular with almost zero representation in any content save a small meaningless niche in PvP, but these arguments are always met with a lot of opposition from MSV supporters who I just wrongly accused of not existing, so I am proposing that RSV be brought back as a 4th spec for all the real hunters who dont like the other two ranged specs, which deserve no criticism because they still use bows.”
Obviously thats hyperbole, mostly for humor.
I linked 12 just a bit further up here in this very topic.
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