Several - more than two but not many.
That’s a few dude - either way you’re being deliberately obtuse. They’re around top 3 and S tier currently. My original point stands.
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And my point is the same feral is competitive at the top levels of melee, but that doesn’t mean they’re over tuned.
Unless you are claiming that the classes they compete with and are beaten by are also over tuned, are you?
You do realize Feral will out scale those specs comfortably in the coming phases right?
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So says you, but we’ll see. And until then that’s just your random guess. So we can only go off the numbers we currently see, based on which feral is good but not over tuned.
Weren’t you earlier claiming we couldn’t take predictions about future performance at face value?
Disingenuous. The issues is that your buff was more now and currently than Blizzard said they were aiming for. So, it is now over tuned for what their stated aims were.
The fact that they are scaling well (now) and on track to do better later compounds this but it isn’t the reason to adjust it - it’s a likely further consequence of not adjusting it.
Yeah, we’ll see! It seems like if you look at the top performing groups, the change to feral is rather small, but if you look at the lowest performing groups, it’s bigger.
Perhaps this is the effect of buffing a high skill-cap class. As I said earlier though:
Just concerning this - this is the case generally. The gap between worst and best is always bigger in the lower performing brackets than the higher and always narrower at the higher performing end.
IMO it is a flawed approach to assess performance from the top end only. And smaller differences are more consequential at the top end.
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We literally don’t know how the buff scales because we haven’t seen this buff over multiple tiers and gear improvements as it’s you know new. So we can only judge based on current performance, which is once again good but not over tuned.
So yeah I see no reason to trust your baseless prediction over any one else’s.
We can track how the class scales. And unless the buff nerfs the scaling we can make some solid assumptions from that. Either way, the buff is over tuned right now. It is performing better than the stated aims of Blizzard for the buff.
Ziryus, as always I respect you sophistry, but not so much your maths ;p
Can you explain where and how we can see this?
I’m not claiming that I’m an expert on this and know better; I’m curious as to what I should be looking at to come to the conclusion that it is overtuned.
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We can’t track how the class scales as we have never seen how this buff scales 
Now as for whether it exceeded expectations, hard to say, it seems to be around 10% for most people which is what they targeted. But even if it’s a little over what was targeted that doesn’t automatically mean there’s a problem.
If I’m making a cake and add more sugar than I meant to but the cake ends up better why would I complain?a
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I was looking at Alg as this seems to me the more “patchwerk like” fight.
The difference there was about 10%. As we have about 3 days of post buff data in the 2 week set now that’s shifting closer to 8%. And obviously, the more time that passes the more it will narrow the difference. But to my reckoning the difference is about 10%. It’s narrower when you look at the top parses.
Blizzard said they aimed at 5-8%. This is marginally above their upper bound. Couple this with Feral scaling and I think it’s grounds for the buff to be adjusted. Especially when you consider the spec wasn’t the worst performer even before the buff.
And before someone pipes up with “you can’t predict scaling” scaling concerns were the reason stated by Blizzard as to why they promptly addressed the fiery interplay with deep wounds - so Blizzard begs to differ there.
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Blizzard said 5-10% actually so given that you just agreed that on a fairly feral friendly fight they’re hitting less than 10% that’s within the limits of what blizzard set
So guess you’ll admit feral was not buffed beyond design?
Algalon Over a Range of 2 Weeks:
Min: 5452.12
Median: 7197.60
Max: 8856.41
Algalon Over a Range of 1 Day:
Min: 6045.53
Median: 7834.96
Max: 9193.87
And really do note this part:
They got a buff that’s apparently right around where Blizzard stated it would be.
I stand corrected.
Then my position is personal, I think 10% is too high.
How about 4% - because that’s about where it is in the upper end for Algalon.
At the upper end. I’ve already discussed that I don’t think focusing on the upper end is a good approach.
The upshot is, it moves a strong scaling class from middle to top with two phases of scaling to go. Relative to the pack.
Fair enough, so you just don’t like it for reasons.
It’s not broken, it’s not outside of intended design, you just don’t like it.
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Yeah I guess.
I personally (for reasons) would have supported a small buff (no more than 5% across the mean). So that Bearweaving wasn’t mandatory.
The top feral parsers didn’t need any buff at all. They were already doing well.