Reasons why the Nightborne suck

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Haha. Ok all jokes aside.

There’s nothing wrong with the Nightborne. I mean of course does it suck that Nightborne isn’t Neutral and how they were sent to the Horde side? Yes. But after years and years of Me not liking Void Elves. I honestly don’t mind the Void Elves that much in fact since Shadowlands is coming up. I’m actually quite happy with them.

Do I agree that the Nightborne really lacks the Customization Options? Yes. I do hope that they get better customization Options than what they have now.

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Dude, we took a vote last week on this. You gotta start attending more.

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I MEAN …

Also, on a more serious note, remember that Thalyssa and the Dusk Lily Rebellion never actually met the leaders of the Alliance and Horde apart from the undisputed religious leader of the Kaldorei, who were immediately hostile and dismissive of the Shal’dorei’s plights and needs and attacked them both politically and personally at every chance, and the Sin’dorei, who were immediately sympathetic and understood exactly what the Shal’dorei were going through.

Throw in that Thalyssa was super keen, despite all that, to reconnect with her ‘people’ and rejoin the world, and Tyrande literally slapped her down and accused Thalyssa of being an addict and no better than the Queen who, to Thalyssa’s mind, was the same one who tried to break the world and sacrifice all of its inhabitants to the Legion for her own gain.

And remember, Tyrande is the undisputed leader of the Kaldorei. Not even Malfurion can over-ride her orders.

Yeah, I’d be a bit leery of the Alliance too, especially if Tyrand was their idea of a ‘diplomat’ in this situation.

Then we see Thalyssa going to the Sunwell, and I want to point out, the Sin’dorei were her SECOND CHOICE here, meets another ‘champion’ of the Alliance, everything is going swell oh hey TENTACLE MONSTERS IN THE SIN’DOREI MOST SACRED PLACE, because of said Alliance Hero.

Jumping in with the Horde doesn’t seem like such a stretch after this.

That said, Thalyssa is nobody’s fool and is well used to the political hop-step-and-jump routine, and probably had chosen to join the Horde as much to stop both mega-factions annexing up what remained of her peoples’ territory, and probably had an exit strategy if the Horde did prove to be an unwise partner, much as she said to Rexxar and the Champion during the War Campaign, and was hoping that the Horde would provide at least the threat of retaliation if the Alliance, or anyone else, decided to come knocking on Suramar’s gates again.

Nobody was expecting Sylvanas and the Burning. Nobody. Even Nathanos was caught unaware, and he’s so far in Sylvanas’s good graces we’re probably going to get a dirty novel out of it. So trying to say “Oh hey you stayed, you’re OK with this then.” is a bit like saying people in North Korea are fine with the regime, and that’s why they stay, and not because they’ll be shot, their families murdered and have had a long history of tension with their neighbours and have been spoon-fed rhetoric that paints all other nations as enemies and cruel despotic regimes that make the current one look positively angelic by comparison.

Odds are if anyone left the Horde, just like what happened under Garrosh, you’d ‘disappear’. And unlike Garrosh’s rule, there’d be no wink-wink nudge-nudge toe the line comrade or you’re next for anyone else, you’d just straight up vanish and, if you were lucky, get used for spare parts for Sylvanas’s elite troops. If not, you’re an apothecary’s latest test subject.

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You know, it’s funny but I actually never even thought about this part of the scenario when taking Thalyssra into consideration. Nice catch!

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Yes but no, there’s good parts and bad parts to the Void Elves.

You have a point there, I’ll give it to you. I don’t like it when a race relies on one sole thing - especially something dark where I can’t really roleplay as a Holy priest, without being hindered because it burns to the point of near-death.

This I’ll agree to disagree on.

I really feel like they did disgrace the velves a bit concerning lore as they have little to none, and they have very few numbers. We have no idea if they’d still continue to convert people to become void elves, if more blood elves would become Void elves, and if it’s safe to roleplay one properly. Because we had a small group of Void elves to start out with, not thousands.

Concerning the Nightborne: I think this was a bit of a ridiculous thread to post in the first place concerning the Nighborne, because Ellisande was trying to do what was best, and the Alliance can’t really speak much of -honor- just because you’re Courageous, doesn’t make you Honorful, you can be Brave & Courageous, and still stab someone in the back. Lok’tar Ogar.

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I wonder what the difference between the Shen’dralar and the Nightborne is. They both relied on magic, both of their leaders made pacts with demons and killed their own subjects, both went to Tyrande specifically but one joined and the other didn’t.

The relationship with the Shen’dralar hasn’t been developed much but if we remember back, Tyrande has teamed up with magic users (like Kael’thas) before.

Is it population size or customization options?

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Nightbourne are the Highbourne fantasy as far as I’m concerned lol.

I imagine the Autumn color hair coming in SL’s is the nod to the Shen’dralar.

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they suck because heheh

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Perfect for the Horde then. Fits right in.

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Except, no. It was one line in which Tyrande asked, basically, “How can we be certain we can trust you?” Thalyssra answered and Tyrande didn’t push it any further.

In hindsight, given the way the scenario worked out, I assume Blizzard meant for there to be tension there, but as usual they forgot to actually write it into the story.

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Void Elves do mostly villainous things, but because they’re pretty it gets framed as good in the narrative. At least they got called out on it in Shadows Rising.

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In fairness, that also describes blood elves.

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Yeeting emissaries into the endless Void did give me a chuckle.

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I wouldn’t call them pretty. Corpse-blue skin with oily hair and tentacles, plus skeletal fingers, isn’t pretty. They’re not framed as, ‘Good,’ in the narrative, just responsible and with their own set of morals. They’re more Lawful Evil if anything. They do horrible things for justifiable reasons, but that doesn’t make those actions any less evil.

Throwing people into one-way trips to the Void to suffocate/starve/die of thirst/get eaten by some Void Monstrosity, their soul likely lost? Evil.

Killing party-goer’s and servers at Gallywix’s Pleasure Palace, people who aren’t any real threat? Killing unarmed civilians is always evil.

Animating the bones of a T-Rex to wage Psychological warfare? Evil.

Just because all of these have the justification of reducing casualties, being done in carefully controlled ways to prevent collateral damage, and with the intent to learn and save lives, does not make them any less Evil. As for what happened in Shadows Rising, that was definitely evil, but again, even Jaina who calls out Alleria about it is forced to admit that it produced results.

In a way, it’s how I wish Blood Elves had originally been portrayed, how Kael’thas and his followers were. Blizzard accidentally got morally gray right by trying to write evil actions being justified, because the Alliance doesn’t condone evil. It’d be funny if I didn’t want to cry for the Horde.

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Boy howdy I can’t wait until you discover Tumblr then

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I didn’t know there was a big anti-nightborne thing until this thread. I still kinda like them even if their reason for joining the horde is a little dumb. It’s dumb because for non-story reasons they wanted to give the horde the night elf model, because the alliance already had… the night elves. It’s a popular race and they wanted both factions to access it. That’s why it’s stupid.

The thing that sucks about nightborne is that they don’t have enough customization options. I’ll be quoted here saying that I think they should give them the void elf treatment and give them a bunch of the night elf options, since they’re already made and would be easy to port over.

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Reason #632 why the Nightborne Suck:

Because...

I wanted to keep stomping those grapes, but they bloody well wouldn’t let me and they said “Why do you keep leaving wolf hair everywhere you go, it’s made the wine disgusting now, what are you hiding” and I said “OOP TIME TO GO, LADS” and that was that

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I dunno.
I never anticipated them being playable, and I fully expected them to disappear into obscurity forever, but I figured if they ever got a continuation to their story, it would be either about talking with the Blood Elves or having tense relations with the Night Elves.

I was doing WQs on both factions a lot in Legion, and the little blurbs definitely gave me the impression that Liadrin genuinely cared about the Nightborne while Tyrande seemed very reluctant to help.

Then the Nightborne traveled with the Horde to Argus, which was a pretty big hint in itself.

After playing WC3 though, I feel like they could have worked as a neutral race if the Night Elves still had their unique political factions. They could be on tense, but nonviolent, terms with Tyrande’s priestesses and sentinels, but on good terms with Malfurion’s Druids (on behalf of the Vale Warden’s diplomacy).
We don’t really see inner politics in Night Elf society anymore though.

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I think most of us are just pokin’ fun tbh.

Offing Fandral had its drawbacks :frowning: Blizzard hasn’t even tried getting into Shen’dralar stuff with their inclusion back into Night Elf society.

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Eh, it’s less of an anti-nightborne thing and more of a, “they could’ve been significantly better” sort of thing, which is a lot of WrA’s takes on WoW in general really.

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