Reasons I stand against RaiderIO

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The community hasn’t been this divided and infantile about each other, since Wrath. LFG came out to hasten and ease up the group finding. People started to call us “casuals” for favoring a que rather than waiting in /2 for three hours.

The game has it’s own qualification data for who can run what content and succeed. When you give this anonymous community of players any additional reason(s) to deny access to content based on outside/third party “scores”, you’re giving an irrational and unsteady power to the already divided 'hardcore" that would (and we see this) love nothing more than to make them separate from the other players…“casuals”. Once that power is implemented only by those that choose to participate, is when the division begins or worsens. It’s human nature to want exclusive power, crack open a history book if you need further proof.

Like many of us in early BFA, I ran all the way up to 10 +'s on two toons, and had no issues getting into and completing mythics. We spoke, looked at gear, looked at past dungs. There was no logical reason to not invite someone who met game requirements for that dung.

Now, you bring in raider io and the crap storm ensues. People of the “higher” spectrum see that it has an outside, separate requirement setting, and they run to it.

Raiderio is nothing more than a separatist’s tool. GIve me all of the weak, circular arguments you keep giving…IE I don’t understand it (lol), I must suck, or I’m jealous or mad because I can’t get carried.

The last one is most amusing because it’s mainly the people who get into these higher keys are getting the carries. Raider IO does NOT guarantee a successful run with whoever it tells you to choose, nor does it tell you if they are carried, skilled or “good”. All it does is tell you that it’s standard is separate and special, and you should let go of individual thought and listen to RIO.

I will not and never have participated in this infantile, epeen, separatist game. If I had a key, and the person I see in qualified, they join. No third party, “score” separate from the game’s. I have run numerous mythics from 0 to 10’s and I qualify to run an 11 but don’t because I don’t meet the “score” of a third party app?

Anyone who uses this rubbish is bad and should feel bad. The mythic circus now is one reason a lot of people have quit, due to the gatekeeping.

My viewpoint is mine, and is only a viewpoint built upon psychology of human nature, what myself and many have witnessed with the community and rio, and why I no longer run mythics.

There is no reason to sling insults (which I have gotten plenty of, lol) or false flags, or for you to be defensive. If there’s nothing wrong with it, and I don’t understand it and are full of jealousy, than what is there to defend?

Raider IO is rubbish, venom and at this point, is only abused, not used. Ban Rai-DURR IO.

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Well thanks for sharing!

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Ban all third party metrics and we will go back to the old “Come to Org/SW bank for inspect”

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reasons i stand against raiderio: i’m bad and refuse to improve

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There is always the option for you to run your own key without using Raiderio.

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Thing is no matter what we say or do RIO will be there, people will use it and the hate will continue from one segment of the population while the rest enjoy it or just run with the guild.

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It’s not about the guarantee, it’s about the likelihood. Or do you think that someone who’s never seen a certain mechanic in a +15 is just as likely to deal with it successfully as someone who has?

Regardless, what should a group leader be able to see when inviting someone? If not past experience, then what?

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But see, that would require taking the initiative and being responsible for one’s self.

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You looked at past dungeons? What do you think rIO is doing?

No different than your requirement of looking at gear and experience. Why can YOU look at a person’s experience and give it an arbitrary value, but someone else can’t?

You are just being hypocritical at this point.

Yet your basis of qualification is eerily similar to how people use rIO.

And the troll reveals himself.

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What people who don’t like RaidIO don’t seem to understand if it wasn’t this people would find a different way to screen their groups. You would still get denied.

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Na let’s just go back to freaking gear score. Everyone will be happy then!

/endsarcasm

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Whats even better is the OP is literally talking about how he uses a person’s dungeon experience to decide if he should invite them or not.

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TL;DR: I’m mad I can no longer get carried.

Run and time M+ on all 7s and 8s and your io is already at 1k, It’s not hard.

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RaIdEr Io Is EliTiSt WhEN OtHEr PeOpLE Do iT bUt Not ME

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Raider io exists for one purpose: to easily be able to see the experience of people applying to your group. If it didn’t exist, we would be armorying everyone that applied to our 21 keys to see if they had appropriate experience and declining those that didn’t anyways.

The thing you have to realize is that when you apply for a key, even in the 10-15 range, so have several dozen other people. You are not a special snowflake. Those pugs do not know you and do not owe you anything. When I am pugging my key, of course I’m going to pick the people with the most experience that fit the group comp I am aiming for. I want my runs to be the smoothest they can be. I’m not going to pick some guy that’s 12/12H because he knows how to do a raid. I am not going to take a ranged class when our group already has one. I’m running M+ with one goal - to time my keys and move on to the next level.

I’m going to be upfront and say the obvious. The people against raider io are universally bad or lazy. Period. Your raider io is low because you do not know how to play M+ or because you are too lazy to bother getting it up. So why should anyone take a chance on you? You are not entitled to that.

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And up to +10s are quite easy. +10 is when you finally get the fourth affix, and is the real increase in difficulty. People who use RIO for anything below +10 are looking for a fast run, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It’s also a good summary of what dungeons a candidate has done at what difficulties.

Now, the moment you get to +15 and beyond? Yeah, no, RIO is almost mandatory. I know, plenty of people have managed +15s in time with pugs without RIO. But I’m guessing a lot more have done them and beyond with it. Because there are things you need to know to be able to push the keys to those upper echelons of difficulty.

So I’m proud you were able to do all of that IO to +10s without it. Try +15s and beyond without inviting with RIO, I’m actually curious how much harder it’d be.

No one says it’s guaranteed successful. But it’s a lot more likely to succeed than without it. All it is is a summary of the information readily available on the armory. It isn’t done malicious instrument of gating; it’s a tool. Like any tool, it has a purpose, but can also be abused.

Sounds like you’re getting denied entry and that’s a big reason why you hate the app.

It doesn’t matter how many +10s you’ve run if it’s all one dungeon, yet you’re trying to apply for a dungeon you have no experience in. RIO is doing its job by showing you don’t have a decent amount of experience.

Consequently, if you’re DPS, you’re 1/50 signing up. And unless they’re specifically telling you the reasons why they’re denying you is because of your score, you’re just guessing and being outraged about it.

I feel pretty good, actually. I know what level I play at, and RIO allows me to continue on with people at my level. I don’t play the game to carry people who stand in bad and blame the healer, or who can’t pull the DPS necessary to burn things down. If I was helping out a guild mate, maybe. But with limited play time, I prefer to play with people with skill equaled to mine. Call me elitist all you want, I don’t pay to play the game to constantly have to carry people who think they’re better than they actually are. And that’s not meant to be cruel; many players truly believe they’re better than the level they play at. They think because they play the game, they have a right to be invited to anything.

You’re blaming the tool for how people use it. If someone takes a hammer and bashes someone’s head in, they’re misusing the tool. But it isn’t the design of the hammer at fault; the shape and purpose is for hammering nails into wood. But the design also makes it a decent weapon.

RIO is designed to help people enjoy their time by filtering out the dozens of players who sign up to groups. The design also leads to abuse, just like any other tool, but that’s not the intended design. Don’t hate the program because of how people mistreat it. Hate the people mistreating it.

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Humans exclude other humans in this content, not an add on. The tool simply provides information.

I suppose you hate Handing in resumes too?

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I’ve run quite a few keys to ten and then would stop because it seemed like I couldn’t progress. People didn’t know the most basic of mechanics like interrupting the oarsman in FH. I was limited in large pulls because I had no idea of the healers capability. DPS would often pull extra packs that we didn’t need and force me to recalculate percentage on the fly.

I didn’t think I would ever advance because pugs just were not up to the task.

This week however I was able to two chest a 15 and we then ran a 17 which we failed by two min (We would have easily timed it but I messed up on Gunker wasting all our bots)

What I learned was that there is a whole new set of mechanics that didn’t hit hard in low keys that I now need to be aware of, new paths for ever dungeon often requiring multiple paths per dungeon based on affixes. I need to learn new tricks like snapping the dactyles in AD. Learning to pull bigger and kitting (and what a difference it makes having a healer that can heal through a 12 bursting stack.)

I’m more then willing to devote the time necessary to learn this and hopefully start timing +20’s. But I can’t do it with people who don’t know these mechanics or who are unwilling to devote the time to them.

At this point I’ve learned to add anyone who does know what they are doing to my friends list so that I don’t have to take a chance on a random person. If I do need to pug IO is a tool that allows me to judge if you have taken the time to learn the dungeon we are running. Nothing more and nothing less.

No but it does increase the chance of success if you know how to spot people who are carried.

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Unfortunately, the community here doesn’t want it to change. It’s to their advantage and benefit, they REVEL in the toxicity and the justification this tool gives them to act like a bunch of jerks.

You won’t get through to them… because that would actually involve them admitting they are, on some level, bad people. Not to mention the likely loss of prestige and status that comes with not using the tool.

This game’s community is going down the river Styx without a paddle, singing all the way… honestly, just let them blow up the game at this point. Hopefully there will be something left to clean up when they’re done.

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You do realize the person you are quoting fully supports not inviting a person to their group based on dungeon running experience…right?

A great way to stop adding to the toxic levels is by stopping insulting anyone that disagrees with you.

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