It seems to me like this game is really dying over the last two weeks (I guess since New World). Anyone think it is really happening this time or will everyone be back again?
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I think the game survives to the end of TBC, but struggles along the way. I expect some servers will not survive. Wrath will bring a boost, but the start of wrath will have half the population of the start of TBC imo.
The problem with TBC is there is just nothing to really do outside of raids. Odd as it sounds, the lack of a need for raid consumes actually hurts the game as less farming is needed. People have less interest in leveling / gearing alts due to the heroic attunements. And those that are interested struggle to find groups.
Many of the servers are dead outside of raid logging. There are almost no large prismatic shards on the AH on my server. Blizzard really needs to merge some servers together to keep things going.
Many guilds are going to keep raiding, but the lack of players and non raid-loggers will result in attrition that cannot be recruited through. My guild couldnât find 3 DPS pugs for a thursday SSC. (Itâs an offnight for us and we only had 22 signed up).
If two or three people in our guild quit, weâre done. Thereâs just nobody left to recruit from on the server. And weâre not the only ones in that boat. If blizzard does not merge some of the lower population servers, one by one guilds and their servers will succumb to attrition. And the phase where only ZA comes out is going to offer few incentives for people to stay.
I expect many servers will keep going and survive the end of tbc. But i expect there will be server casualties.
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Once the new of New World wears out, and I think you get Sunwell and the Isles you will see somewhat of a resurgence. Isle gives people something to do and people will start getting ready for Wrath. This assumes the info about Wrath isnât totally fubared and they donât drive everyone off.
That said Wrath will feel a lot more like retail to those players so it might be a much more successful time killer than Vanilla or TBC were for those players.
Ultimately itâs really hard to know just exactly what people will do.
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TBC is just raid loggers. No fun outside of raids. Especially since P1 lasted so long everyone has at least one character fully geared up, maybe an alt geared. So no badge farming or reputation farming. Everyone is done.
Outside of that no motivation to do anything besides getting mats for flasks and pots.
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For me, honestly, I canât deal with Blizzard anymore. I used to really believe in this company. I admired that Overwatch had lootboxes that could be earned in game, when every other game shoved exclusive for-money skins down your throat anytime you booted it up. I admired that WoW had a small seasonal in-game shop after being out for almost 2-decades when most games would have flipped full pay-to-win by now. I admired the devs for having weekly conversations with the community in Legion and other expansions.
Now I sit here kinda depressed about the current state. We get zero feedback from the developers or CMs about bugs and server issues.
While some games have a cash shop for cosmetics, Blizzard has a server xfer fee that allows them to prey on small servers for money, the player gets nothing tangible in return. I cannot express how much worse this is than other in-game purchases, itâs disgusting.
Guildâs feel like they have their backs against a wall- Canât recruit, canât find new people, âguess weâll transferâ. That is collectively 25-30people x 1-4 Characters x $25 each x 6-7 guilds per small server. In case anyone didnât do the math, thatâs up to a max of $21,000 every time a server dies. The tranferring players get nothing, and the server experience for those left behind is even worse. One day when it gets bad enough they will merge servers or something, maybe, and by that point everyone who spent hundreds of dollars will be left scratching their head, wondering why they wasted money on this.
All that said, what really hurts the most, is that despite hundreds of posts asking about server issues, Blizzard has not said one thing. Despite hundreds of posts asking about bugs/exploits/cheating/bots, blizzard at most drops a 2-paragraph post once a month with no open dialogue, community engagement, or feedback. Some people like to defend blizzard by calling the community toxic, and thatâs why they donât respond or update us, but thatâs a pretty fragile and silly approach to the internet in 2021. People will be toxic, period. Itâs no excuse to leave your dedicated customers and fans in the dark.
TLDR: Blizzard bad, game has problems, no fixes in sight.
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Canât expect blizzard to work on the game at this point. If they donât care why should I?
More worried about blurry paintings and adding cross dressers to Kara lmao thatâs whatâs important
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Vanilla was no different really. The majority of players raid logged all the way through AQ and Naxx. Except for maybe an hour a day to get their consumes together. Similar to now, except that some people now do dailies instead of or in addition to farming.
And I think attunements and rep requirements are an incentive to run dungeons more than a discouragement. Why else would players run them? Gear drops? Maybe, but there is better gear in Kara, and itâs easier to get. Removing attunements/rep requirements would result in fewer dungeons being run, not more, IMO.
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Blizzard tried to go woke so now theyâre going to go broke.
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Speaking of New World - cancel your sub for a couple months, get a copy of New World and give it a try.
Picture a game with an expansive world, a rewarding crafting system, an attentive dev team, solid technology behind the game, FUN being a part of the game and enocouraged, balanced factions, mechanics that prevent faction dominance, no monthly fees âŚ
TL;DR - thereâs a reason WoW & Blizzard is dying - the days of crappy game companies are over. Blizz killed it and stepped aside for a new king. Join us, weâll gladly help you get started.
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Talk about a paid ad lol.
New world is ok, but I just canât get into it at all.
lol not paid, the servers are down and Blizzardâs joke tech equals that the auth servers are down. Iâd be playing D2 instead of shaming blizz on the forums if Blizzâs work actually worked.
But of course, all the actual tech people work at different places. Competent, respectable companies like Amazon.
Blizz has the bottom of the barrel - talentless subpar people who canât get the basics right.
(Yeah. I can do better. Worlds better. Blizz has my name. They can see who I am, what I do, what someone like me calling them trash means. I called em out before - check me out, see whoâs calling your team trash. Dare blizz to leak my info - I got my lawyer ready.)
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I agree with your entire post.
What people who say this donât realize is that some of this âtoxicityâ is there BECAUSE OF the lack of communication. When someone feels they are not getting listened to they will do what they can to get their complaints heard. Often they are even directed to the forums.
Yes, some people complain about most things that are changed but that would always happen. The lack of communication is huge though.
I still remember reporting a bugged mob in original TBC and 5 minutes later a Blizzard GM said they reset it and then sent a whisper. Stuff like that was done much better and at that point, Blizzard was communicating very well on the forums too. The majority of companies do what they can to provide good customer support because they know it makes a difference long term. Communication is part of it.
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Is it worth it if you have a few hours a day?
still the same amount of players and more raiders than retail atm
What youâre noticing is the effect of the Raidlog Expansion. Once people finished their raids are done for the week, they go back to private servers or try other games.
Absolutely. Without Blizzard coming out and speaking their piece on the topic, the narrative is driven by the customers. This has obviously lead to multiple narratives being shared by the customer base. The more these narratives are shared, the more power they gain, and the more people will start to believe it.
[Tell a lie enough times, and it will become the truth]
Blizzard really should come out and set the record straight, and inform us on where they stand in regards to player population and server health.
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Agreed. Games in a state of just holding, but it lost too many.
On Amazon reviews for New World are terrible. The game is still frying peopleâs GPUâs.
New World has a completely automated ban system that allows players to grief you and get you auto banned and there is no GM review whatsoever. Players are abusing the feature to get rid of the other faction competition.
Not a game I would ever even think about playing.
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Iâm just not interested in playing a MMORPG that looks like you need a console game controller/joystick to play it. Twitchy arcade-action combat, defense & targeting doesnât fit the genre IMO. No point in even having RPG character stats.
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according to world of logs as far as PVE content goes - itâs alive and well.
Raid logging is just more of a thing imo. Plus, thereâs just nice full servers and dead ones. On DD? Game is dead.
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can confirm, friend of mine got banned for killing people whileâŚharvesting stuff? Said he engaged in inappropriate player vs player behavior.
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