Reading and watching alpha streams I think Rogues will still have complexity

And to be honest Rogue ramp up time will exist for all three Rogue specs. Not sure how final tuning will come down with Rogue numbers but right now it seems that Rogues will still appeal to veteran players. But I am not sure if it will pull back a lot of new players.

Hero talents is one layer to keep track off.

Sub will still need to keep track of SoD, SD and ST.

Outlaw will need to keep track of BTE buffs which is a stacking damage buff ala Bandit’s Guile now in Midnight, hidden bullets, CDs due to CDR and RTB.

Assassination will need to keep track of bleeds and poisons.

Pooling energy

Combo point and energy management.

I think that is enough layers of complexity the problem I am concerned with is if BlizZard thinks adding more layers is necessary to keep Rogues from doing damage faster with less ramp up time.

Rogue ramp up time for all three specs is reduced due to Sub having Find Weakness as a personal buff, Crimson Tempest being redesigned for Assassination and Outlaw having a CDR talent that reduces cooldowns if you are under CC or not doing damage.

But I fear that BlizZard to balance Rogues increases ramp up time which makes Rogues less welcoming to new players.

However, my hope is that BlizZard realizes that Rogues need to be operating within the modern framework of the game and with that entails is removing so many restrictions and extra layers of ramp up time.

It can go either way and final tuning will determine a lot for Rogues as beta is near!

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These are my personal thoughts but Subtlety really needs to bake Symbols into Shadow Dance. Period. I’ve always viewed it as the following:

  • Assassination = Ramp, DoT.

  • Outlaw = Sustain, straight forward.

  • Subtlety = Burst windows.

Reading through the forum, I know you’re a fan of the new RTB which simplifies things but honestly, I feel like they should just integrate the effects into Outlaw. And for Subtlety, Rupture feels very out of place during a valuable opener/Shadow Dance window for a maintenance DoT.

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Not sure how BlizZard feels about SoD be honest because it seems something that could go with Midnight trying to make it more streamlined.

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What are you on about?