That’s you countering the point that LFD is not a tool, and trying to rope in LFR at the same time where LFR doesn’t deserve the blame in this instance.
But it would add more tanks to the pool. Players who don’t want to start a group are added to that pool that didn’t previously exist. Players who didnt want to spend 2 hours browsing chat or spamming chat to do a dungeon are now added to that pool.
So yes, the player pool for dungeons WOULD increase because more people would be looking to do them with LFD than they would without it.
OK.
It doesn’t. There is about 10+ years of Retail evidence to prove it does not solve a tank shortage.
We are literally at the point where history is trying to repeat itself and people are willingly refusing to acknowledge the past and what came from it.
I just explained logically how it does. I mean I guess you don’t have to acknowledge that? but it is what it is. the pool WOULD increase.
Well no Mythic/Mythic+ were added on top of heroic dungeon difficulty. Heroic dungeons were not nerfed for them.
LFR was the exact opposite, normal raids were nerfed to make LFR difficulty. Which simply wasn’t the case for heroic dungeons, after all it couldn’t be since mythics weren’t added for what 5 expansions after RDF was added.
Hence why we can say RDF is objectively different than LFR, as RDF was merely a tool to access existing content.
The LFG Tool is a tool for forming groups, which is once again also different than RDF and serves a different purpose. Which is why both should be in the game as they both have different use cases.
and I just provided you with an example of how it doesn’t.
They added more tank specs three times to try and improve the tank shortage, they offered mounts and gold, they added dual spec. You can not fix the tank shortage without changing the endgame pve structure of the trinity.
One thing you are forgetting is that the classic player base is a fraction of what it was in original wotlk. We don’t have 12 million subs anymore. The pool to draw from is infinitely smaller than it was back then and queue times will be infinitely larger now as a result.
I just want to remind everyone I’m not saying we shouldn’t have RDF, I’m just trying to bring some realism to the debate and get people to understand: It wont fix everything.
Adding LFD wouldn’t mean that LFR will come too, what an asinine statment.
If 1 more tank ques up to LFD that otherwise wouldn’t the tank pool increased by 1. The pool INCREASED. If 20 more tanks get added and 200 more dps get added the pool still INCREASED. that is fact, you can’t “disprove” that.
Well the loot satchels when they had rare mounts and pets and toys actually did fix the tank/healer shortage. Of course then DPS whined about how unfair that was…
and you added about 14,000 dps roles into the queue as well. which means the pool is relatively the same size
I was there. No it didnt lol
no, the pool is much larger, the ratio is smaller.
They most certainly did, dps queue times went down to sub 10 minutes. But that was only for a few patches when they had the good stuff.
Well no Mythic/Mythic+ were added on top of heroic dungeon difficulty. Heroic dungeons were not nerfed for them.
I don’t think this is accurate. But, I also don’t think it matters. Mythic dungeons weren’t added on top of Heroic, nor were Heroic dungeons dropped below Mythic. Legion introduced us to Mythic and Mythic+.
So, there’s never a time when Heroics existed and moved or remained stationary when Mythic dungeons were introduced.
imo Heroic dungeons are the LFR level of dungeons in Retail atm, but I don’t think I’ve ever run them. I skipped to Mythic (to get a key) and M+.
objectively
I don’t think we have a mutual understanding of the meaning of this word.
The LFG Tool is a tool for forming groups, which is once again also different than RDF
Can you point to something I’ve said that suggests that this is information to me? I feel at this point that you are attempting to troll.
It doesn’t. There is about 10+ years of Retail evidence to prove it does not solve a tank shortage.
i wait, as dps, maybe 20 minutes tops even for retails wow’s slow time. I play OCE/Japan time. WoW’s 3rd shift as it were. US both coasts mostly sleeping or heading to work/school assuming a 9 to 5 schedule or close is when I play.
I’ve seen worse times in classic lfg. the funny bit is some you see them put in tips at some point. then add more tip as they spam every 5 minutes.
I don’t think this is accurate. But, I also don’t think it matters. Mythic dungeons weren’t addon on top Heroic, nor were Heroic dungeons dropped below Mythic. Legion introduced us to Mythic and Mythic+.
So, there’s never a time when Heroics existed and moved or remained stationary when Mythic dungeons were introduced.
imo Heroic dungeons are the LFR level of dungeons in Retail atm, but I don’t think I’ve ever run them. I skipped to Mythic (to get a key) and M+.
Heroic was the top difficulty for dungeons for what 5 expansions? 4 of which had RDF. Mythic dungeons were added as a harder difficulty much later in the game cycle.
LFR was the exact opposite it was added as an easier difficulty. Where as RDF did not change the difficulty of the content at all.
Can you point to something I’ve said that suggests that this is information to me? I feel at this point that you are attempting to troll.
Well it might seem that way if you are too lazy to read the entire sentence.
The LFG Tool is a tool for forming groups, which is once again also different than RDF and serves a different purpose. Which is why both should be in the game as they both have different use cases.
I admittedly don’t play retail that much anymore and the last time I tried was BfA, but doesn’t retail have a feature that syncs peoples levels to the dungeon they are entering?
Well it might seem that way if you are too lazy to read the entire sentence.
“Too lazy” definitely seems that way. Why are you going here?
Obviously, I’m well aware of what Dungeon Finder is, what LFG is, how LFR and raid difficulties work. You’re not explaining this to me.
In any case, if it’s too difficult for you to have a conversation with someone who has a different opinion without resorting to insults and being rude, then that’s unfortunate, but I’ve already clearly stated my opinion, and you can (and should) read it again, because you haven’t offered anything substantiative in response.
Have a good one. I shall leave what I’ve already stated in this thread as my definitive opinion on the subject.
In theory…yes.
10 to 50 leveling has “fun” issues. You can get a freehold where no one is properly skilled for it. Literally they do not have the level to unlock the skills like CC. they didn’t fix to factor in well a level 12 is running it. not the 110’s of bfa as it was before.
the work around is a boss 1 to boss 4 skip run and leave. trash and boss 2 and 3…hell no. Unless a masochist. in that case…its right up their alley.
One or 2 legion dungeons…boss skips as well.
51 to 60 has level requirements. some open at 53, 54, 55. final dungeons tuned for 60 open at 60.
Have a good one. I shall leave what I’ve already stated in this thread as my definitive opinion on the subject.
RDF being different than LFR is not an opinion, you even acknowledged one of the main reasons they are not the same.
Obviously, I’m well aware of what Dungeon Finder is, what LFG is, how LFR and raid difficulties work. You’re not explaining this to me.
What you apparently did need explained to you though was why LFG Tool is not a replacement for RDF.