i read what the other players on these servers are telling me. i take the them at face value. I have long since stop doing dungeons because i refuse to do dungeons until ulduar drops and i get the pieces of gear that will be beneficial to me. once i have the gear peace out. literally this system we have no is complete and utterly terrible. its inexcusable how terrible the state this activity is in. they have rotted out this activity before it even got out of p1. all because they listened to what the crowd wanted for Vanilla and thats the crux of the problem what worked in Vanilla doesn’t work for TBC or Wrath. why are we reinventing the wheel here? just seems so illogical. if you don’t like RDF that is absolutely fine. but don’t dismiss the players who are experiencing poor dungeon experience. that isn’t helpful at all to the discussion. their voice matters just as much as mine or yours.
All it does is make grouping more convenient - that’s it. It doesnt guarantee me party mates and an instant run when Im level 20 and wanna do WC. It just saves me some time getting that group together assuming its an option. Quite literally all it does.
Every argument in favor of RDF always blatantly suggests that the tool creates or does something its not designed to do. It balances class roles, it creates more tanks and healers, it makes way more groups than what was available before, it dissolves low population server issues, it makes more people want to play and level and every other stupid utopian ideal these charlatans can think of. Its never explained how or why either. Just trust me bro and take it on faith - then we’re all supposed to just go numb and believe.
What I believe is that people are lazy, cant be bothered and like convenience. That’s a much more accurate take on RDF than anything you got.
Stop selling RDF so hard, for someone who pretends to be anti RDF you sure make a compelling argument for why RDF is a good thing.
We could talk about abstract nonsense like good and bad all day. The question is it necessary and the only honest answer to that question is no, its not.
It would simply be nice to have because of how convenient it is and how much I don’t want to work to find groups.
I’m glad you decided to make that decision for me.
Incorrect. Even the lead dev said he was surprised by the amount of backlash not 8 hours after the announcement.
I realize you’re trolling though so, you do you
That’s disingenuous.
Plenty of people have given valid reasons. They’re just outweighed by the reasons in favor.
If they enable cross-realm then no, that’s not literally all it does. If they allow it to teleport you to hard to reach leveling dungeons then no… thats not all it does. Which were both features of the original RDF.
These are HUGE impediments to group forming under 60 and RDF removes them. On top of, as you said, making group forming more convenient as well.
Reality, logic and reason made that decision for you.
Dont shoot the messenger.
Do you have sub numbers providing evidence to that claim?
Wow started off with 100k at end of vanilla and that was where classic started and that small playerbase that actually played during that time got their wish for official support of that old version…
What is it doing other than being convenient? You left that part out.
Oh yeah because adding more convenience on top of the convenience makes it even more convenient and this is somehow different than simply being convenient.
The impediments to lowbie dungeons are the amount of available people and class roles, which RDF which does not address at all and wasn’t designed to do in the first place.
It takes 5 people in the appropriate roles wanting to a dungeon and puts them together. That’s it. Oh yeah and teleports them there. Big whoop.
Sorry guys, cant do SFK cuz Id have to travel there. Huge impediment.
Yeah being lazy can stop you from doing stuff, thanks for letting me know.
??? It allows groups where none would be possible otherwise. If I’m on a small server than it literally “creates” people for me to group with by extending the pool of players. I figured that was obvious…
Its more efficient. Having RDF form groups for you is more convenient but doesn’t really save you any time. Having it teleport you to SFK instead of having to spend 20 minutes running/flying to the dungeon makes the difference between it being an efficient way to level and it being possibly a waste of time.
It literally does! It increases the number of available people, What part of that are you not getting?
"To be completely honest, [the Looking For Group tool] is a feature I wanted in the game when we launched the game. I was really unhappy when we didn’t have it when we first shipped, so it’s been 5 years coming. Maybe it wasn’t the number one thing I wanted in, but it’s definitely one of the top 5 things that I wanted in the game. It’s actually our third try at a proper LFG tool, and this one gets it right. With the Meeting Stones, we didn’t put enough attention into it, we just tried to jam it in, and people didn’t use it. The second tool, it ended up being compromised feature – we tried to cater to too many different audiences.
As for the community question, I used to … I think that 5 years ago, I would have answered this question differently than I would today. I was all about preserving the small realm communities, but already… Well, look at Battlegrounds, it’s a good case in point, because it doesn’t diminish social relationships that matter on a realm. Sure, everyone can bring up “that one guy” that they know, the ninja looter who stole his stuff. But I think your real community isn’t the whole realm, but it’s your guild and the friends you group with, and the cross-server LFG won’t undermine that at all. The Dungeon Finder – by the way, I think we just renamed it the Dungeon Finder last night – We designed it in such a way that it serves the need for guilds and groups and friends. You don’t have to always [join a Pick-Up Group]. If there are four guildies in a group who just need a fifth, they can do that. You can also use it if even you have a full five-person party.
Or, you can do it if you’re on your own and just want to run something, so I don’t think it diminishes it at all"
Rob Pardo
Well it would be more fair to say the reasons against are entirely subjective and usually some flavor of “I just don’t like others using it” whereas the pros can objectively be stated.
You’re just telling me how convenient it is. Thanks for agreeing with me I guess. Cross realm increases the player pool, not RDF by itself. And remember, that’s if its cross realm and that’s if they even implement it.
Yes, that’s what it was designed to be, thank you captain obvious. Whether efficiency is wholly necessary and increases the dungeon player pool is another matter which is the thing I’m focusing on here. I’m not doubting its efficiency.
So if there’s 1000 available people looking to run dungeons RDF creates an extra 1000 players out of thin air so the available player pool is now 2000? Is that what you’re saying?
I can only guess what you mean is that RDFs convenience makes more groups possible out of that 1000 than if players were left to their own devices. Okay then, how many more and what’s the wait time?
I’m only asking since you claim to know what the tank to healer to dps ratio is and how many people are online as well as the time frame to make such a claim. What’s it look like on a Wednesday morning at 2am for Scarlet Monastery?
I’ll worry about my “emotional well being” lol
Give us RDF
…and I do get your point about RDF pulling people out of LFG. What your saying is that the LFG pool would go from bad to worse. From Jack to squat.
I really don’t get why you don’t understand this… If you’re on Myzrael or some other low pop server and/or you only play at off-peak times you may only have 2 people in the pool. You may have zero. RDF allows x-server grouping which means those players now have a larger pool of players to group with. I don’t understand why that’s so tough for you to grasp.
LoL RDF being such a better tool for pugging than LFG that most people would use RDF is not a compelling argument for why RDF is bad.
LFG is basically unusable on large servers without an addon to filter it. If anything it would benefit from fewer people.
At a local level, yes. Take into consideration that those that don’t care if RDF is either in the game or not, will use RDF due to its convenience. Meaning less people using LFG for group formation for running dungeons.
Remove all the bonus rewards from it and this becomes a valid statement.
No emblems, no bypassing lockouts, no luck of the draw biff, and no teleport.
Just forms a group for you. Until then, with the min max hyper efficiency culture wow has now, rdf isnt really optional with all those bonuses tied to it.