Ratio, Top 1000 : Overall Spec representation 3v3

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Major Edit: When I originally did this I did not realize xuna was on EU and the data was comparing EU overall to US top 1000. I have edited and did the numbers for both to reflect correctly. This should help to give a better picture and remove some of the more unexplainable extreme outliers.

Edit: Added top 5000 comparison

This is all 3v3 but let me know if you want me to do this for solo shuffle too.

This is something I find interesting when looking at spec as a percentage vs class representation overall (think of this as popularity.) When you look at this I’d say anything that is a 1.1 - 0.9 falls within the acceptable range but there are some interesting outliers.

Spec activity is taken from Xunamate. Top 1000 is taken from Drustvar

Keep in mind there is just not a big enough sample size on some of the lower classes because 1 or 2 can skew their percentage by a lot and this is not a perfect representation of power but the outliers for classes with a large sample size are interesting. Id say anything that is .9 to 1.1 on their ratio is probably close to “balanced” If they have a lower number on ratio they’re more likely to be underpowered and higher number is more likely to be overpowered.

US EU
Top 1000 % Overall % Ratio Top 1000 % Overall % Ratio
Melee Melee
Udk 20.51 17.33 1.18 Udk 16.80 16.65 1.01
Havoc 19.66 20.65 0.95 Havoc 23.04 25.76 0.89
Assassin 13.68 12.31 1.11 Assassin 15.72 13.54 1.16
Arms 13.96 13.17 1.06 Arms 9.49 10.62 0.89
WW 9.4 8.85 1.06 WW 8.40 9.79 0.86
Feral 7.12 6.19 1.15 Feral 7.05 5.8 1.22
Fury 3.13 5.41 0.58 Fury 4.61 4.26 1.08
Ret 3.99 4.73 0.74 Ret 4.07 3.32 1.23
Enh 3.42 3.15 0.72 Enh 1.90 2.85 0.67
Sub 2.28 3.01 0.76 Sub 3.79 3.16 1.20
Surv 1.14 2.16 0.53 Surv 3.25 2.25 1.44
F DK 0.57 2.05 0.28 F DK 1.36 1.3 1.05
Combat 1.14 0.99 1.15 Combat 0.54 0.7 0.77
Ranged Ranged
SP 39.35 39.21 1.00 SP 40.42 40.5 1.00
Demo 19.68 17.47 1.13 Demo 14.98 14.22 1.05
Ele 10 10.67 0.94 Ele 9.41 13.16 0.72
Destro 7.1 6.22 1.14 Destro 6.62 6.49 1.02
Arcane 6.45 4.91 1.31 Arcane 9.06 6.01 1.51
Aff 5.48 6 0.91 Aff 6.62 4.36 1.52
MM 5.16 5.67 0.91 MM 5.92 3.52 1.68
Devoker 2.58 3.29 0.78 Devoker 1.05 3.1 0.34
BM 1.61 2.52 0.64 BM 3.83 2.59 1.48
Balance 0.97 2.26 0.43 Balance 2.44 2.21 1.10
Frost 1.29 1.37 0.94 Frost 2.44 2.28 1.07
Fire 0.32 0.41 0.78 Fire 2.44 1.59 1.53
Healers Healers
Rdruid 29.32 27.05 1.08 Rdruid 29.25 27.51 1.06
Pevoker 26.06 23.16 1.13 Pevoker 33.96 29.4 1.16
Rsham 16.84 13.49 1.25 Rsham 9.12 10.03 0.91
MW 8.47 8.39 1.01 MW 5.66 7.52 0.75
Disc 9.12 12.63 0.72 Disc 5.66 13.4 0.42
Hpal 6.51 10.39 0.63 Hpal 3.46 7.58 0.46
Holy 3.58 4.9 0.73 Holy 5.66 4.57 1.24

High outliers
Dk is only a high outlier in the US, Normal in EU.
Assassin, Feral, P.Evoker is higher than 1.1 in both regions.
Arcane looks to be extremely high in both regions.
Rsham is very high in the US only, normal in EU.
Prevoker is a high outlier in both regions.
Disc, Hpal, Holy look weak in both regions (tiny sample size in top 1000)

The low represented specs are kind of all over the place because the small sample size makes them vary significantly so I may edit this and add a top 5k chart after this spot.

US EU
Top 5000 % Overall % Ratio Top 5000 % Overall % Ratio
Melee Melee
Udk 16.25 17.33 0.94 Udk 13.64 16.65 0.82
Havoc 21.221 20.65 1.03 Havoc 25.41 25.76 0.99
Assassin 11.5 12.31 0.93 Assassin 12.63 13.54 0.93
Arms 10.69 13.17 0.81 Arms 8.77 10.62 0.83
WW 8.94 8.85 1.01 WW 8.08 9.79 0.83
Feral 6.22 6.19 1.00 Feral 6.58 5.8 1.13
Fury 8.07 5.41 1.49 Fury 7.70 4.26 1.81
Ret 5.83 4.73 1.08 Ret 4.60 3.32 1.39
Enh 3.54 3.15 0.75 Enh 3.16 2.85 1.11
Sub 2.62 3.01 0.87 Sub 3.75 3.16 1.19
Surv 2.24 2.16 1.04 Surv 2.94 2.25 1.31
F DK 1.74 2.05 0.85 F DK 1.66 1.3 1.28
Combat 1.15 0.99 1.16 Combat 1.07 0.7 1.53
Ranged Ranged
SP 34.11 39.21 0.87 SP 34.66 40.5 0.86
Demo 18.86 17.47 1.08 Demo 15.55 14.22 1.09
Ele 11.24 10.67 1.05 Ele 13.42 13.16 1.02
Destro 5.15 6.22 0.83 Destro 5.75 6.49 0.89
Arcane 5.28 4.91 1.08 Arcane 6.23 6.01 1.04
Aff 6.56 6 1.09 Aff 5.82 4.36 1.33
MM 5.69 5.67 1.00 MM 4.11 3.52 1.17
Devoker 4.08 3.29 1.24 Devoker 2.88 3.1 0.93
BM 2.68 2.52 1.06 BM 3.01 2.59 1.16
Balance 2.68 2.26 1.19 Balance 3.49 2.21 1.58
Frost 2.74 1.37 2.00 Frost 2.60 2.28 1.14
Fire 0.94 0.41 2.29 Fire 2.47 1.59 1.55
Healers Healers
Rdruid 25.58 27.05 0.95 Rdruid 26.27 27.51 0.95
Pevoker 25.12 23.16 1.08 Pevoker 29.15 29.4 0.99
Rsham 12.52 13.49 0.93 Rsham 9.74 10.03 0.97
MW 10.13 8.39 1.21 MW 7.88 7.52 1.05
Disc 10.86 12.63 0.86 Disc 12.43 13.4 0.93
Hpal 8.06 10.39 0.78 Hpal 7.11 7.58 0.94
Holy 7.73 4.9 1.58 Holy 7.43 4.57 1.63

Really interesting how some specs look absolutely op in high rating but are average at mid rating. Hpriest has really good ratio with the larger sample size in 5k but not many in top 1000.
Do you think large ratio difference from top 1k chart to top 5k chart is due to the skill cap with that class?

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Thank you for this data. It’s going to be really interesting to see how the discussion surrounding representation and class balance evolves over the next few years considering there’s now potentially 2 brackets with very different representation to look at.

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Idk if this ratio thing is always a good indicator of balance. Ele by this data appears to be underpowered while rsham is considered overpowered when I would say the opposite is true based on my own experiences

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which means you don’t understand how to fight the class.

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yeah i actually think rsham is sleeper op in 3s, but i agree ele seems insane. But i think ele is insta losing to these dk teams too, if you look at whats strong ele loses vs that

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It’s definitely interesting data. The problem is there’s too many variables to draw many definitive conclusions from it. Classes that are touted as OP will inevitably draw a large number of bad players and bring down the ratio.

If all players were equally skilled at their class this data would mean much more.

I do think rsham is better than people gave it credit for initially now that talents have been played with a bit more. I was convinced it sucked until about a week ago.

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I don’t like that Shaman has playable specs, these need nerfs.

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Wish I would have stuck with my arcane mage this expansion instead of making an MM hunter my main. Arcane is one of those under the radar specs that performs really good in the right hands. It has good CC, good damage, and solid mobility. And it has 3 schools of magic with really good spells in each school.

But I’m too lazy to start another alt and go through the rep farming and trade skill leveling again.

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rsham is slept on after their buffs from a couple of weeks ago.

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Yeah I think you got to look at the egregious outliers. This also doesnt take into account comps etc.

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You don’t need to rep farm on alts or trade leveling. It’s honestly way easy right now.

Just saying.

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It takes like a day or two to level and gear a character.

These can both be ignored.

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It’s a bit more than that.

My mage is still sitting at level 60. Haven’t logged him in the entire expansion so I’d have to literally relearn the class including key binds. So unless I’m committed to him, I don’t see the point right now. It’s not as simple as playing a hunter.

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I just did gathering professions on alts and fly around clicking nodes in queues or while doing spark quest. :dracthyr_love_animated:

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Thanks for the data.

I’m honestly super surprised that DH, DK, Demo, Ele, and SP are doing well. Truly shocked.

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And one last comment.

The marksman hunter uses the same basic abilities for the most part in PvE and PvP. Sure, you need to change talents, but the talents you choose for PvE don’t dramatically change the things you cast.

Can’t say the same for arcane mages…

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Some classes are popular because they have a low skill floor but do poorly in high level competition. Some classes are not popular because they have a high skill floor but do well in high level competition.

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Your math on aff locks and shadow priests seem way tf off… 40% of the bracket is SP and yet the 4% off Affliction locks is a bigger issue lol?

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Yeah! This data doesn’t account for my personal experience! I am, of course, the best and only but also every player in the game, so data that refutes my views is bad data. I have never looked inward and never will btw

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where was the mathematical error?