Raszageth - Good design; horrible for the game

Heroic should be puggable. You should not REQUIRE voice for heroic.

The encounter is good, fun and interactive. But hurts your game overall.

Please learn your audience and figure out what they want. Rasz is good for mythic, but horrid for heroic. You need to find a good solid balance.

Video games are far beyond having a raiding schedule and having to log in every day for dailies (which I acknowledge you realized, thank you for the reduction on dailies). It’s more about the jump from normal > heroic > mythic. I feel like you put too much on the normal > heroic where the jump should be from heroic > mythic. Heroic should be puggable after two months of a tier. 100% puggable. You should not REQUIRE voice for heroic. Whereas, you currently do.

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Raszageth Heroic is Pug-friendly. There no need to any kind of communication at all in this fight. The only challenge of this fight is the DPS Check, and to a certain extend it is a gear check for passive toughness to environment damage.

Most of the time, in pugs people die from the same stuff that would kill them in LFR anyway (Pushs and breaths) or just simply lack DPS or Stuff.

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Heroic is puggable perfectly fine. And if you want fights dumbed down so much that almost no coordination or communication is needed, then Heroic isn’t for you I guess. For people like you there’s Normal mode.
I understand that maybe you’re mad or frustrated because you got no AotC yet, but just because that’s the case doesn’t mean that Rasz is too hard and there should be drastic changes in Heroic made for you.

Do I have to be a level 10 with no achievements to post here about the difficulty of heroic Razageth or what? Seems a bit unfair to those of us who play.

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What are you referring to? If you have something to say, then do it.

Everyone who comments on these threads is level 10 with no achievements. Maybe I should start a new character too but not level them up, and unlink all achievements. Maybe it’ll be a druid this time.

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I think it’s going to be this character. Heroic is so easy you scrubs.

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It’s not like a level 60 character is capable of killing Rasz. I don’t get this weird fixation on character level instead of focussing on the content of the posts. I can’t post on a high level character, because they’re on EU servers, but if it makes you happy:

So. We can continue talking about the difficulty of Rasz or you want to continue talking about the level of forum characters?

This. I guess I wonder what people think about the US forums and why post on them instead of the EU forums? Do y’all think we are crazy or what?

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Just have everyone in your guild farm valor for a week and then get your AOTC next week.

That’s completely off topic and none of your business. Contribute something meaningful to the topic or troll elsewhere, I’m not interested in that and won’t engage further in this kind of derailing.

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Why is it none of my business? You are here telling US players what’s puggable and you’ve never pugged in the US.

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I am curious. Why post on US forums instead of EU?

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My guild had to go on a sort of hiatus because of RL stuff going on with the GMs. Myself and a friend of mine pugged AotC before the last Rasz nerf hit. Only took a few pulls, no voice for mine.

Hell, I have a friend who pugged it only a few weeks in. It’s a decently challenging fight but I wouldn’t go so far as to call it unpuggable, especially after the nerfs.

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It’s a fun fight in my opinion. The final boss of a tier should be hard and it can always be cheesed through outgearing it if it comes to that. I personally don’t see the issue.

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Because EU forums are not that crowded. Always the same small batch of people who post stuff and a lot less topics, so there’s a lack of new perspectives and different topics to talk about. It’s not like EU and US are completely different games. It’s all the same and the same shenanigans that happen in EU are happening in US.
In most discussions people wouldn’t even have realized I’m sitting in EU. It’s just part of discussions when people don’t have any arguments anymore and try to shift the discussion more to “Well but you’re level 10 so your arguments are invalid duh” and then when I post my main it’s suddenly “Well but you’re on EU so your arguments are still invalid!”. No, Rasz is the same on EU as it’s on US and our pugging scene is neither more organized nor any bigger than in the US.

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Well that’s just to be expected people don’t like to admit when they are wrong about something and tend to double down. I wouldn’t take it personal, just human nature.

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Its a hard responsibility fight… 1-2 guys will absolutely kill P3 if they screw up even a little for P2.

1 healer dies in P1? Wipe it.

2 healers dead before P3? Wipe.

3-4 DPS dead in P2? Wipe.

LFG listings also ask to link AOTC to join, slow fills, log checks, gear checks, attitude checks, voice crack checks in voice coms. Even saw a few teamspeak required listings for norm raz lmao.

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Almost everything about this post is wrong.

Raz is a pure gearcheck, after which point the mechanics are so simple that it falls over. If your group fails at Raz you either have undergeared players or players that don’t do the mechanics, and thus need to replace them.

The punishment for failing at mechanics is almost universally a wipe, so the floor is perhaps higher than average… but it’s stupidly far from difficult. There’s very little to no complicated patterns or decision making involved at all. Everything you need to know is very simply announced by DBM, besides group allocations at the start.

I guess the point you’re making in the op is that it can’t really be brute forced as much as previous content, but even that I’m not sure about. High dps vastly shortens the first and last phase, where people have the greatest capacity to wipe the group solo.

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When my guild did Normal, I kept thinking to myself, “This fight feels like it’s tuned for heroic, (mechanics, damage, etc) not normal.”

Now my guild is progging heroic and I feel exactly like you do. The heroic version feels like mythic.