Does anyone have suggestions on a class/spec that is similar to how old SV played? I really miss the DoT’s and resetting of big hitters that came with Black Arrow/Explosive Shot. Seems like I can’t find that gameplay anymore but figured I’d ask around?
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Nope. Ranged SV was unique. I’m still sad and frustrated they removed it due to “no fantasy” then made melee SV a BM wannabee. It’s completely laughable.
Given how many threads about ranged SV we’ve gotten and the super mega thread in the hunter section, one would think it was on Blizzards radar to just bring it back as a fourth spec, but alas. Will probably never happen, one can dream though.
There was a reason Ranged SV was one of the most popular specs in the game until they killed it at the end of WoD.
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They will not change SV hunters simply because many in this community have been asking for a melee hunter since vanilla. Second, SV now is very fun, and perhaps you should try for more than 10 minutes, and you may actually like it. The spec is based upon a balance in between range, and melee now, because you attack from afar at first, and then pull yourself into melee combat, and then disengage back to range attacking. It’s also a lot more active than the other two specs.
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Oh survival is very fun, just why would you bring a surv hunter when you can bring just about any other melee.
Give Balance Druid a shot. It involves dots and starsurge procs.
And what of those of us who played Ranged SV? We were kicked to the curb. At least I didn’t ask for Melee to be removed(though it should, considering its extremely niche). I said we should get Ranged SV back as a fourth spec.
News flash, Ranged SV was very fun. And extremely fluid. Melee SV is anti fun and clunky. Funny how opinions go, eh?
And your point of view completely ignores the vast majority who played and even mained Ranged SV. Like I said, there was a reason Ranged SV was one of the most popular specs in the game up until it was killed during WoD. What we have now, Melee SV, it’s everything a hunter is not. It flat out goes against the very core thematic listed in the original manual of ranged with a pet.
And while some find it fun, the vast majority do not considering its laughably low representation across all forms of content. Seriously think about that for a moment. Survival went from being one of the most popular specs with the highest representation, to one so niche it’s participation in all forms of content is like 1-3%. If that doesn’t speak volumes then I don’t know what does.
And going back to my original point. Blizzard killed Ranged SV because they claimed it had no fantasy. But making Melee SV essentially a Melee version of BM is so pathetically weak, like I can’t see the logic in that. Now it has no flavor, it has no fantasy. It’s literally Melee BM.
For what it’s worth, considering Ranged SV was my main for over a decade, I tried very hard to enjoy Melee SV. I tried and tried, I even forced myself to do the Mage Tower challenge for it. It’s just anti fun and isn’t huntery at all.
This also doesn’t say much at all considering how classes are currently. Besides, Ranged SV was more active than BM and MM as well so it’s kind’ve a moot point.
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No spec class truely fills in what rsv left behind, i know i spent 2 expansions rerolling over and over trying to find new main cause of butchering what i love. Finally given up letting my time lapse, hopefully you find what your looking for ^^.
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Does any class have DoT’s with some major ability resets/procs happening?
Please link your sources for mentioning the vast majority… Also, the current SV is a hybrid of melee, and ranged currently.
I don’t have to. Look at logs to show ranged survival representation from it’s inception until it was killed during HFC in WoD. It was the most popular hunter spec and was one of, if not the most popular spec in the entire game.
Now look at it. Since it was made melee, it’s representation has been 1-3% through all forms of content. Sometimes lower.
That by itself easily speaks volumes as to how the vast majority feel towards Survival. As melee, it’s nothing but a niche spec that does nothing other specs can’t do immensely better. And at it’s core it goes against the very principles that the Hunter class was designed around. Removing Ranged SV was one of the single biggest things Blizzard has ever done that has alienated a huge portion of it’s player base. Despite that, I just want my spec of over a decade back. Keep this niche 1% representation shenanigans that is Melee SV. But to those of us who LOST our spec, we just want it back because even with them trying to implement a SV-esque style via talents for MM, it sucks and they failed hardcore. As such, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Returning Ranged SV as a 4th spec is the easiest and most logical solution.
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Then everything that you’ve written is merely opinion, just saying.
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It’s not. You are just oblivious. As I said, look at the logs from SV’s inception until it was killed in HFC during WoD. Or to make it easier, just look at logs from MoP and WoD. That’ll narrow it down a lot. Then compare that representation to logs of current SV. It’s laughable how night and day the difference is. Again, easily proving that Blizzard failed in this endeavor to appease different people given that as a result, they alienated it’s existing core which was a majority.
I’m not doing your homework for you since you have already proved many times you are ignorant and oblivious, especially since you think the “majority” prefer this Melee SV crap, that again, has laughable representation across all forms of content due to how lackluster it is. 
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Tbf HFC killed the other two specs simply because MM 4 set was beyond busted. But yea after the class changes during the prelaunch patch surv sank in the water. It got even worse in legion outside of maybe arena participation. I was one of like maybe a sub 100 surv hunters who even got to progress endgame bosses on mythic in ABT. We were all mind blown when we saw Method’s kill video of Guldan and Nnoggah was on survival hunter for pumper dps for eyes. For PVE content surv is pretty much seen as a meme now, not because it can’t parse, just there are way better options and the stereotypes around them.
Conclusion: Make rsurv a 4th spec.
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Or it’s a very different playstyle, and most newer players are lazy, and don’t want to even try something new. Also, if you have to use insults, and condescension to make a point, then you really have no point whatsoever. I’m not responding to you again, so have fun talking to yourself, good day.
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I really haven’t used insults, I just said you were ignorant and oblivious.
What you said also doesn’t really make sense? Most newer people are lazy and don’t want to try something new, what? That is completely irrelevant since Ranged Survival was something the existing players had, hardly “new”. And given the vast majority had no option but to reroll after losing their spec of years and years, I really wouldn’t call them lazy either.
But again, you dodge my point to rebuke with your own ignorance at my “insults”. Like I said. Comparing representation across ALL forms of content between Melee SV and Ranged SV is night and day. Where Melee SV is so niche the majority don’t even play it as an alt. Ranged SV was so popular the vast majority either mained it, or had it as an alt.
That’s cool though. By all means, don’t bother responding again. By all means, be lazy and don’t do any research by looking at logs. But don’t come at me saying Melee is favored and liked by the majority when as I said, it’s so niche that it’s representation is laughable, doubly so when compared to Ranged SV’s representation.
Good day to you Sir or Madam.
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Excuse you? Survival is nothing like Beast Mastery? Have you ever tried it?
Just because it has Kill Command means nothing. It didn’t even have Kill Command in Legion. They only gave us Kill Command in BFA because people like you kept screaming to make Survival more Ranged.
We used to have Flanking Strike instead of Kill Command, but they replaced it so that we could use Kill Command from Range, as Flanking Strike required melee range, as it required you to also hit the enemy.
The only reason Survival has no representation is because we have no utility. The same issue is present with Enhancement and Feral. But please, keep thinking you know why no one supposedly plays Survival. I see PLENTY of Survival in random BGs, LFR, and in the open world.
Take away the utility from other melee like Havoc, and your representation in raids and M+ would drop to the same as ours, 1000% guarantee.
Meanwhile, old Survival was literally just Marksman with different ability names and Black Arrow tacked on. But you guys are welcome to keep thinking it had its own identity, but it didn’t.
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I love the current iteration of Survival. It’s not perfect, but it’s a lot of fun and pretty unique.
But I am one of those people who’s paused on it. It’s a lot of work for the same results as simpler melee specs… That is literally the only reason it is underplayed (if it even is). Conceptually, I love it though. I’d never want to see a return to old SV.
Would be down for a 4th spec that’d add ranged survival. Leave our melee spec that you don’t play alone 
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No one is asking for melee SV to be gone.
I also “mained” (it was the main spec on my hunter) ranged survival and I miss it A LOT.
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A shift back to ranged is something that has definitely been asked; whether here or not. Wasn’t concerned though–just here to add support for the current iteration.