My biggest one is demon hunters double jumping over LoS objects and onto the platform in sewers
What things make you rub your hands through your hair and wonder why it happens?
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charge goes on cd and doesnt move you if you’re close to a wall.
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When a healer dies and a DH or DK will try to 1v3 you for 20-30 seconds and as your blowing them apart you watch their health go up in large chunks.
Why do non healer classes have so much self healing?
With the removal of hybrid tax should have been removal of all healing capabilities of DPS specs that are excessive or inordinate. We always run into this problem every expansion where off-heals from DPS specs from shaman/druids/priests/paladin are insanely overtuned.
Call me bias as a mage but if you aren’t spec’d as a healer you should have no sustain capability, or minimal at best. It shouldn’t require 30-50%+ dampening to bring some of these classes down or make them a viable kill target.
Some defensives are insanely overtuned/short CD no need to prattle on about it we all know the offenders.
Bottom line, if you wanna do as much DPS as pure DPS classes you should lose the majority of any healing/burst healing capability. Or re-instate hybrid tax
When a mage is able to heal near my level, be tankier than me, and drool at the mouth and still be able to land pollys and force cds with their braindead assas rogue pressing kidney either dr or off dr. When a mage is able to q with a lock, and figure out how to lose. When you kill the awful mlx’s healer and they keep trying because “WE PLAY CASTERS SO WE R SO SKILLED AT THE GAME”
Mage deserves to be balanced for once.
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I agree. Remove mage spammable heals!
Can we also agree that hybrid-tax should be brought back?
Pures cant change loot specs to roles to get broken PVE trinkets every expansion.
Why should hybrids do as much damage as pure, while also keeping offheals and usage of broken PVE trinkets they dont have to beg people to trade them or pay to get.
I think the best option is to make them unequippable if they arent in designated spec.
To reinforce my agreement with you. If a mage is casting any form of healing spell you should be able to just instant kill him mid cast. That will teach him to press flash of light or healing touch in your face
Don’t even get me started on armor values the same as rets, like why is plate and cloth the same physical damage reduction…owait.
I see your problem is every class does magical dmg basically and ur armor means nothing. Feelsbad.
Take it up with DK/Rogue/Dh/enhance/ret class devs. Atleast ferals/hunters arent so scary?
1 thing i found not very balanced is when i play ret and q into rdruid/destro and despite having absolutely every advantage vs me they also refuse to give up positioning as well and ihave to choose between dying at 70% damp or just playing the game and so i go in and as soon as im away from pillar i am rake stunned into 2 roots into a non-dr infernal stun into a coil into 3 fears while druid is catform doing 30k dps and by this time ive already had to use every single cd i have and run back to the pillar but i cant because vortex and bash on horse and by the time everything is over im back off dr to all of it and we start round 2.
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Broken pve trinkets only been a thing in BfA.
No hybrid tax should not be brought back.
We don’t. In your post you mentioned dh and dk, both of which aren’t hybrid classes. But I agree their healing needs to be toned down.
That’s just cringe.
Jungle remains 1 of the best comps in the game.
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majority of assass rogue toolkit and how it basically has no weakness anymore
subterfuge is a heavily overloaded talent. Why does it provide the buff AND empower your garrote to silence? Seriously just read the talent, it’s like over a paragraph long.
6 sec kidney on 20 second cd
poisoned knife
crippling poison being 60% slow.
And then yeah as you mention in OP, Demon hunters and their mobility. Only really get tilted by them in 2s since that is the demon hunter bracket.
or playing my wrrior into an hpal team and BoP being essentially a fully immunity bubble because we’re the only class that can’t damage through it or remove it in ANY way, combine with ineff truth stacking have to deal with it so much.
mage double shimmer and how they cried so hard they got it back. Mage has been S tier for a majority of arena being in WoW without it. That talent makes it so braindead.
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You said mage healing. I agree if mages are spamming offheals you should collapse their filthy cheating mage skulls instantly mid cast?
Unless your saying mages…dont have any healing spells?
I must be mistake about expansions previous to legion templates and broken PVE trinkets. Surely no gladiator titles at all ever were handed out on the backs of them and also legendary weapons.
My fondest memories of running ICC knowing the RL was 99.9% likely to ninja DBW and drop aren’t real. My mistake.
No they aren’t hybrid they are HeRo classes.
My point was you feeling not feeling “Tanky” has everything to do with just about every single class barring warriors/mm hunters/ferals do more magical then physical damage. Armor value has no real meaning because of this.
You might as well being cloth and gain the sick mog benifits vs the lionshare of things in the game.
Hybrids do as much damage as pure, can exceed their damage numbers. While also maintaining relevant offheals/utility (depending on how much blizzard likes/dislikes your hybrid at the time).
Hybrid tax was removed for PVE players. It just had the bonus point of affecting PVP for hybrid players bro.
Rets arent usually the biggest offenders here I admit, every now and then across expansions they have done absurd things but its typically limited to the other classes. Apologies if my post made it sound like rets were up there with shaman/druid/priest hybrid healing. I can only recount a handful of times I actually thought ret offheals were broken.
LOL yes, so cringe. Always a full gusher DH thinking they can take on the world. I always say to my self “Get off my screen. You’re done now”.
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The worst part is, you still have to be mindful because they can actually score a kill if someone is already in a dangerous spot.
If a DH with that gear level does manage a cross kill on healer they could easily turn it around or come close to winning 2v2 with the dps
U not seen mage Azerite healing along with temp healing? Pretty disgusting.
Wrath and cata were the last time pve was relevant in pvp and even then weren’t as insane as they are now.
Exactly, so y r u mentioning hybrid healing? What the enhance shaman healing too much for you?
I was pointing out how brain dead mage and mage lock are. Not really talking about how tanky I am, pointing out a mage is exceptionally tanky now due to full vers and more defensives than a Ret.
Can but aren’t now, so irrelevant.
There isn’t a single hybrid rn that has over tuned off healing, dh and dks are still often healing more than actual hybrid healing classes other than maybe feral, but hybrid healing also has a lot of counterplay. Kinda weird to complain about it, even weirder coming from a mage player.
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storm bolt will fail on a target that has any form of stun immunity even if you time it to deliberately game the travel time around that immunity expiring before it hits. mortal coil does not behave this way, and will horrify me if cast from max range just before bladestorm/divine shield end. that one rly gets my goat.
healers who spend their mana wrong all game and start playing right by accident when they’re tapped, and get another 5 minutes of terrible goes before it matters that they suck. disc priests in particular do this, but every single healer can pull it off to an extent.
warriors whose comp so CRUSHES on pressure that they can win without having to go b stance at obvious good times to get more dmg out.
there being such a massive gulf between spriests that get dmg out and spriests that dont, and so many good spr comps not requiring it at all.
subterfuge.
knock dr being inconsistent with explosive trap talent and ring of peace.
priests suddenly remembering they can spam mc when you get them on blade’s edge after they lost to your team 4x in a row without ever casting mc.
people who kick so slow that they accidentally get the second cast.
warlock pets’ lack of rigid LoS requirements.
turbo fists. mage lock players are the only people who like the slow version more than the stun version.
druids who act like powershifting is dead because they have to use 2 forms to emancipate every half gcd instead of 1 form.
people who don’t understand their comp’s counters. lookin at rogue comps(even thug) that get 10 terrible goes against a mediocre thunder and win when they do the 11th mediocre one slightly faster, then scream how do u lose about the meh thundercleave whose only win condition is the mana bar discs barely use rn
my b this isn’t strictly a “things you hate” thread but i’m gonna leave it up in case that’s more fun for people
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these are all enraging
“hur dur howd the ele finally die when we didnt leave a 5 second cc gap???” - rmx players around the globe
disc priests that spam mc on top of poly on top of ring on top of db on top of kidney on top of i cant play the stupid game
also destro locks that spit on me for lining even tho they kill me in a root coil because im an idiot and left the pillar for 1 second
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This the most. Whenever I play with a warrior most of the time when we see wwdk they complain and it just cringes me out.
Like wise mage/lock players beating me and thinking that it should even be somewhat of a close matchup.
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Hybrid means they can fulfill more than one role, so yes DKs and DHs are hybrid classes.
Rogues, Warlocks, Mages and Hunters remain the only non-hybrid classes.
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Oh yeah
DH immunity on meta but they manage to use it right as you go to use a stun
Either they’ve got god tier timing or that’s just some serious luck that throws you hard
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Pretty fried to say warriors are hybrids LOL