What’s weird about this is that it feels like you’re saying that mass killing is fine and relatable as long as it was necessary to her plan to conquer the continent.
Are you saying that we shouldn’t think it’s bad because a major real-world power has done it before?
They didn’t contradict the lore - they simply added perspective to it.
One doesn’t prove a point by ignoring evidence they don’t like.
No it was not a whim. In the cinematic sure it might look like that I was. Even I was upset about it, but the story ‘A Good War’ puts us into the perspective what was going on in Sylvanas’s head. In fact here’s a link to the story. Go straight to chapter 4
I got unfortunate news for you too. The bombing of Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the firebombing on Tokyo was cruel and an awful thing to do and I take no joy in it. But it was done to get Japan to back out the war. The fact that they attacked us first is the only reason people of 1945 slept well the day it happened.
Yup that one. I can forgive Blizz at times for not putting important story details in their games, but geez Blizz really should have added that story into the game instead of putting it somewhere a good chunk of the community will likely not find it.
it was 100% not necessary to drop either of the bombs
The most depressing part of the invaluable resources which have vastly connected further and more intimately the human race than ever before is that it also comes with the flip side of allowing raw, unrefined, radioactive idiocy a big shining platform to vomit on display.
So, let’s unpack this a little bit, and get myself on a watchlist.
That’s what they teach you in public school, but the reality is just a little bit more complicated than that. To summarize: there’s not even consensus on what the effect of the bombings actually was, or would have been.
That the act of “attacking someone first” automatically justifies anything that happens to them is not only one of the biggest lies that Americans get told, it’s not even really how our law actually works.
You are literally swapping one 0 for different but identical one.
It’s the action of doing it that matters, obviously.
Okay.
In-game, which is what is most relevant and immediately important, Sylvanas very obviously did what she did out of an angry screeching tantrum, a whim, because someone dared to pity her. Poor thing.
If it was her intent all along, why specifically portray it as an act of furious whim? The entire setup and presentation in the cutscene illustrated this. It was clearly a snap decision.
You do this thing where you accuse people disagreeing with what they’ve seen as “ignoring evidence,” but… it’s not being ignored, people just don’t like the direction of the narrative. There’s every reason to believe Blizzard is just being inconsistent. It’s nothing new for them.
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i’m bringing back this old edit and no one can stop me
Serious question: can Forsaken even fart?
i hate this question get out of my house
yes but its just one long perpetual one
It’s like saying that nobody tried to stop the bombing of Theramore though. In game, the zeppelin flied right on in, unhindered. The book, Jaina Proudmoore tides of war, expanded on that in a way the game did not, explaining the lengthy siege that preceded the bombing, and the efforts on the part of Kalecgos and others. Not to mention the subsequent battle off the coast of Orgrimmar.
The same is evident in the BFA pre event, as opposed to the novellas. In game, we get a quite simplistic representation of the situation. The novellas then expand on this representation and provide a broader context.
Sylvanas did have reasoning for her decision. I’m not saying it was good reasoning. I’m not saying that anyone has to like the direction the story is taking. I’m simply saying that there is canon literature on the subject. If you want to ignore it, fine. That doesn’t change the fact that it exists. And when arguing about the context of such a decision, with a number of other people who are immersed in Warcraft lore, discarding a piece of evidence because you personally don’t think it’s good enough to be canon is dishonest arguing.
Unfortunately the books have always presented wow lore on a deeper and more detailed level than the game itself. This is not ideal. But it’s still in universe lore. In a public discussion about the lore, it can and will come up.
Threads like this, comments like some of these, make me fairly certain I could figure out which subreddits a lot of the VaLiD mIlItArY tArGeTs people post to.
And it can, will and should be rejected. If we count the extraneous errata as overriding the in-game lore, then nothing matters. We can just release a novella that says Sylvanas was secretly kidnapped and replaced by six ducks in a bad costume and the real Sylvanas is innocent.
Beyond simply being bad storytelling, it’s carrying water for Blizzard again, excusing their bad choices, shielding them from criticism and giving them more reason to not try hard in the future.
And, in fact, it does contradict the lore because it’s suggesting Sylvanas had some kind of mAsTeR pLaN instead of it just being a whimsical decision to force a ham-handed plot. It’s an extraordinarily lazy and cynical ploy to counteract a bad reaction and it’s well within everyone’s rights to criticize it as such.
As Malakota said, criticizing the direction of the story is not dismissing the lore. It’s merely calling out a hasty, ham-handed effort to make a bad decision appear deeper than it is.
Hot take: It had nothing to do with the discussion at hand and was merely an attempt to derail.
Let’s stop falling for that.
Pretty much all of this.
Literally everything important in A Good War and Elegy could have easily been represented in game.
That it wasnt is extremely lazy like the entirety of this s&!% expansion.
The Cheat I said no lightswitch raves!
All in all, they’re trying to give more context so Sylvanas seems more like a Joker/Thanos/Killomger i.e. they’re ruthless, crazy and will do whatever it takes to destroy everything, but they’re charismatic and get a chance to eloquently make their case so at some point you go, “Well at least I understand their motivation for being a genocidal maniac. They may even have legitimate concerns and grievances despite their insane methods.”
After spending so long and going through so much, she’ sought death, only to find something even worse waited her. Now she’s become nihilistic and spiteful. The Forsaken are stagnant/dying out and their enemies are growing. Said enemies have just gotten a hold of a power source that is sure to tip the balance of power and have been just itching for a chance to attack her. She’s likely one of several pawns under the manipulations of more powerful forces like Old Gods.
She really needed a cut scene in which she made a speech before the council/Orgrimmar stating her case, while also expressing some regret/sadness/sympathy/something. That’s what all these other villains had: Joker had it when he was with Harvey Dent in the Hospital. Thanos when he first met with Gamora. Killmonger when he first confronted T’Challa and the council of Wakanda.
Imagine watching these films, but those crucial scenes were instead only to be found in previous films. Or an associated novel. Or, “You just have to have read the comic, then you would have known.”