I have been playing my Evoker at the launch and got him pretty much full heroic gear. I recently changed mains because of the Evoker TA change. But now I feel left with a question. Why does raiding ilvl gear suck?
Compared to Mythic + I can pretty much form a group and we can trade items with each other. On top of that fact, it upgrades with valor up until a cap of ilvl 415.
On top of that fact if I do a keystone 16 or 17 my armor at the weekly vault will be 415. Which is Mythic Raiding level gear minus the last four bosses that drop 421 - 424.
Keystone 18 will give me 418 ilvl armor at the weekly vault.
Yet raiding full heroic gear stops at 402 then going up to 411. With no possibility to upgrade.
I don’t know I just feel like I’m wasting my time in raids and its better to spam Keys and use justice points. Which sucks because raiding is so devalued. I don’t know how to fix it but that is how I feel not sure if others feel the same way.
I also feel sort of forced to do mythic + as a raider. Like completely forced as its the best progression hands down.
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Well M+ players didn’t get full 4 piece tier week 2 and raid trinkets are super good. So they disagree.
Edit: That was sarcasm guys. I am making fun of the folks salty they weren’t in full tier week 2.
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Neither did 99% of raiders.
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Yeah I mean at this point the ilvl is pretty equal yeah
u have a lot of valor to use if u didn’t spend any from the beginning of the season and 5 sparks, so with m+ at this point u can easily get to 400+
If you consider “M+ runners get unlimited quantities of concentrated primal infusions, with which to make 418 ilvl gear” equal, then sure.
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Yeah it’s pretty awesome tbh.
Would really be unlucky to be stuck in like 405 end of dungeon gear
Which is what Heroic raiders get, since Heroic raids don’t drop Concentrated primal infusions.
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Yeah, that’s unlucky for heroic raiders.
M+ prob the better route if ur just trying to gear up quickly
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You’re comparing heroic raid gear to ALL M+ keystone levels, but that’s not the intent.
Keystones 5-10 are similar to Normal Raid
Keystones 11-15 are similar to Heroic Raid
Keystones 16-20 are similar to Mythic Raid
It would be nice if Raid had some sort of valor to increase to the max level of the raid you’re doing, but if you want higher than 411 from Raid you need to do Mythic, not Heroic.
| Key |
End Run |
Vault |
Raid |
| 2 |
376 |
382 |
|
| 3 |
376 |
385 |
|
| 4 |
379 |
385 |
|
| 5 |
379 |
389 |
<-N Boss 1-4 |
| 6 |
382 |
389 |
|
| 7 |
385 |
392 |
|
| 8 |
385 |
395 |
|
| 9 |
389 |
395 |
<-N Boss 5-6 |
| 10 |
392 |
398 |
<-N Boss 7-8 |
| 11 |
392 |
402 |
<-H Boss 1-4 |
| 12 |
392 |
405 |
|
| 13 |
392 |
408 |
<-H Boss 5-6 |
| 14 |
395 |
408 |
|
| 15 |
398 |
411 |
<-H Boss 7-8 |
| 16 |
398 |
415 |
<-M Boss 1-4 |
| 17 |
402 |
415 |
|
| 18 |
402 |
418 |
|
| 19 |
405 |
418 |
|
| 20 |
405 |
421 |
<-M Boss 5-6 |
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Having raid bosses give valor and raid gear the ability to be upgraded, even with fewer upgrade levels than m+ gear, would help.
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Still in raids you get no Valor, no primal infusion upgrades.
So no Mythic + is the top dog.
Also people forget the Vault at the end of the week was giving a chance to get a tier set through your mythic plus runs. AT THE ITEM LVL OF 415 WHICH SURPASSES HEROIC RAID.
I don’t agree with difficulty I always found mythic + fairly easy. Even at the high levels of 15-16-17 after it hits 18 it becomes like heroic dathea pre-nerf. Just because the coordination needed.
I would so be down for this.
I just don’t see how someone can throw a blanket statement on it. I found all of heroic to be a snore fest except raz. Like I legit don’t do anything on 90% of these fights
Yeah I get that SoFO was too difficult for a lot of people, but I enjoyed that style of raiding way more even though it was “more difficult”
mythic is a diff story, but that’s not the topic at hand
Took me week 5 to start getting Tier as a raider. But ironically it came from the weekly vault under my mythic plus tab.
It was also 415 ilvl surpassing any heroic raid tier set piece 
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Yeah, but they get a higher ilvl tier set if it does show up in the vault. Which does happen at the end of the week.
You don’t have to compete with others. Like raiders do. RNG yes but way more worthwhile because you can spam keys higher and higher for more gear whilst raiders you kill a boss. You get nothins. You gotta wait till next weeeeeeeek.
Again this depends on what guild you’re in because most dps that are decent got funneled tier from raid
Yeah, but for non guild players we just gonna get neglected?
Great design.
Also, I don’t agree with the funneling it just occurs to the S-tier raid DPS when at the start was Locks, Rogues, Mage, and Deathknight.
So again you don’t get gear.
