it is. everything is about your io score now. i dont even really care about mythic+ but i need to get geared to start playing pvp which is what i want to do.
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there is a pve rank system on the armory, rio literally does nothing but put the data into the game and assign a score
There is also a PvP rank scoring system that is literally the same system. If you think thatâs okay then youâre intellectually inconsistent.
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If we had away to form parties just like now in wow we wouldnât have to worry too much for raider io. You just proved the point it can be done.
except itâs not because pve isnât about constantly changing content.
you can x score based on your arena performance or rated bg performance.
but itâs not like people are going to be checking to see if you have done x content before.
you donât have the problem of getting stuck in a vicious cycle where people wonât invite you to x content because you havenât done it before
@StormbreĂĄker ok then why do we need raider ioâŠmake people do the manual labor of doing the researchâŠat the very least.
also imo that should also be removed.
people can see your gear and make their decision based off of that anywayâŠitâs sort of itâs own ranking system in a way
So? People want people who know what theyâre doing still. What you said doesnât change that. Generally a higher PvP rank will bear more knowledgable and serious players, in fact, you should be hating PvP scoring MORE because it literally IS the concept of making players a number.
Why not? I just got into a +2 Waycrest with 110 IO. I havenât even completed any waycrest dungeons on this alt Iâm playing.
im on right now
thatâs one example and overall isnât true i doubtâŠthat would especially apply to raids i bet also.
after a certain point people will expect you to have done the content, no matter you gear score.
thatâs why it isnât like pvp rank at all
What you said is essentially nothing. If itâs not rIO, itâs looking up your warcraftlogs, itâs looking up your armory, itâs looking up x website we use to grade people. You hate a system thatâs already perpetrated by Blizzard themself.
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You come into threads with half-baked arguments. Well this time, youâre in my domain, mythic+. Everything you have to say thatâs against Mythic+, I can dispel very easily, so bring it on.
About the expectation of doing content. Yes, people SHOULD expect you to have done an Atalâdazar of a lower key if youâre applying to +8 Atalâdazar.
We can play the game without Raider IO, but most of the Toxic Raiding community dislikes how we are playing the game and often rant out loud how they cannot monopolize off of all pve content.
I assume it is out of envy how those players have lives and actual profession to improve on while most of them do not.
you havenât disproved anything.
i said people get kicked from mythic raiding and mythic+ based on not having done the content before, even if they have a high enough gear score.
tons of people will attest to that being the caseâŠso bad argument
You run your own key, as has probably been suggested through the course of this thread.
This isnât against M+, this is just proving bad players exist. So yes, you NEED prior experience for a raid or a M+ in order to ascend the chain of progression.
Loot drops like pinatas at the heroic and mythic level in casual content, see: Horrific Visions and Alchemy for a couple examples.
i just had about 3 people offering to run with me and now that i say im ready nobody responds. interestingâŠ
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how can you get prior experience if you havenât played the content.
also not having played previous content doesnât make you badâŠat all. just means you havenât played it.
you could be mechanically superior at playing your class in every wayâŠin reality.
which proves why the logic of raider io is toxic and bad.
@Taraza yeah better until i get the right key so i can run the content with othersâŠlol.
youâre just illustrating the point that this is a problem that doesnât apply to pve.
also i guarantee with raiding etc it is way worse
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By playing LFR, or doing Mythic0.
There is no logic behind your argument, the difference between LFR and Normal is higher hp and damage scaling, nothing else. Mythic0 teaches you all the mechanics before affixes.
What is the logic of raider.io? Looking at someoneâs armory to see if they have already done the content before inviting?
Glad you donât work for blizzard. Ban all addons and force good players to carry crappy players too lazy to climb up the ladder, like how the good players worked their way up.
There goes the remaining subs that you have left, Mr. Director. Youâre fired.
most players arenât raiders. making the game less raider centric would make the game more popular with most players, iâd say. i mean how will the game survive without the 1% of raiders who jealously demand only they should see all content and try to monopolize access to it.
@hamstar yeah thatâs the problem. how do you see content if people wonât let you into groups without having done it before, even if your gear score is high enough.
it shows the problem with people being able to monopolize access to stuff. and that doesnât apply to pvp because you donât have the context of ever changing content there