Yeah, another raider io thread. I’m about as happy about it as you are. But I made this because will you people stop complaining about raider io. I mean it is literally no different than ILevel except for the fact you have to download an add-on (which I know is oh so hard) and it gives people an even better idea of what you are capable of. Low ilevel? No invite. Low io? No invite. You have to grind for both and it’s not hard.
I hated io at first too but then I was like ok there’s no way around it lemme download this and get cracking. My io score was like 200 because I didn’t do much m+ I just raided. Well, realized I needed to get my score up. So what did I do? I pushed MY OWN KEY. All I did was keys for 4 days and I went from 200 to over 1k. It’s not hard. However if you are an incompetent player who still has to learn the ins and outs of high end content, yeah it’s gonna be hard. That’s just the way it is.
I don’t want to take people with me with no score so I have no clue how good they are or if they even know what affixes are or how to cc a mob. Or if they even know boss mechanics. I don’t want to waste my time, my party’s time or my key. And if you say it’s about learning, yeah you’re damn right, learn in low keys with low io requirements. Don’t queue for my +10 so you can get your gear chest with a 100 io score. Sorry but I’m gonna decline you faster than a debit card with insufficient funds.
Stop getting mad because high end content requires HIGH END SKILL. I mean seriously almost the whole damn game is sugar coated, under a rainbow, needing the skill cap of a care bear. Stop trying to take away the one thing that hardcore players have just so you can feel included. That’s like oh hey we are gonna get rid of medals at the Olympics and instead everyone just gets participation medals.
Edit. Yes, thanks, I’m aware io is different than ILevel in that it is a better indicator of what you can do. That’s what I’m saying. I’m also saying it’s just another metric used to figure out who/what to invite that requires the same type of grind as gearing up.
Also, for high keys you don’t even get higher item level gear because that would just be too much for the lower player base to handle. How sad is that? Unless it’s changed since I’ve been gone but doing anything over a 10 is basically just purely for io score. Can’t have those top players getting better gear than casuals. I mean seriously. That’s like a CEO making what a bagger at a grocery store makes just because they don’t wanna hurt the baggers feelings.
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Yeah it is different. It documents your experience. Not just what potential math you can do on that character.
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Things that measure player (character) accomplishments get used by others in many ways. Mostly to screen “applicants” for certain content (mythic + for example).
iLevel just measures the gear you have while RaiderIO grades your actual past participation in certain content.
How these metrics are used (for good or bad) is entirely up to the players.
Don’t blame the tool. Blame the users.
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so there is no point not to make m+ a que system.make each m+ an ilvl requirement like m0 ilvl 310 requirement ect… and make it a que
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There is a significant difference between IO score and Item Level. Item levels is one of the worst ways to gauge a players ability in the game. IO score is much better, but it also has problems.
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Guys. I know. What I’m getting at is it’s a more sophisticated way of sizing up players as compared to the old ways of simply ilevel and achievement.
yep my paid carries experience…lol.
Any idiot knows the difference between paid carries and actual M+ scores. Just like piloted carries for PvP. It’s pretty obvious.
It could end up like ilvl though ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
, i.e if blizz nerfs everything and it would mean nothing
It is totally different. Raider IO reports experience not just Ilvl. Ilvl can be increased without experience but people can’t increase experience without getting into raids/mythics etc. So by blocking people with little experience Raider io is effectively stopping them getting the experience they need and you now have a circular argument. Raider io is just bad.
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You get experience by doing low keys? +0, +1, etc. Are you serious with this argument?
Soooo should jobs the require you to have experience before applying be outlawed because that’s blocking people from getting experience? You get experience in lower end things and working your way up. That’s the whole way the world works.
Somebody that pays for carries will have a high IO score but would be complete dogcrap.
Yet anyone who took their time leveling and enjoyed the experience got left behind the literal first week.
Also OP I’m happy you were able to push your own key. Me… not so much. Good luck being a dps and wanting to push your own key without guildies.
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Yeah that’s the one downfall. But you can also look at their performance during those keys. And um try being a healer when every group always has a healer. I pushed my keys solo and every time I found good players I’d add them to my friends list and invite them for keys. What an idea right? I made the group, found people with similar experience and off we went to push keys. Did we always succeed? No. But keep it up and you will climb.
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im a dps. never played prot outside of LFR
don’t run M+ with my guild very often; i actually prefer to pug because i have met a ton of good players when i list my key
managed to get to around 1.1k IO. hadn’t started running them until well after they were released
should be even easier as a class with a bloodlust. i pretty much require at least a mage or boomy in my runs
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Same boat. Honestly I found it easier to pug instead of running with guildies.
Raider IO and iLvl are apples and oranges because they measure different things regardless of if they both are used to satisfy hunger.
Yeah they measure skill vs how much free time someone has had for wow to hand them gear like candy on Halloween.
That’s a good idea, I’m going to try adding some players I finish m+’s with.
You’d figure I would be able to get into groups fairly easy, especially for low level keys. But I’ve been denied so many times for even keys I’ve done successfully. At first I figured they already had a mage and didn’t want two, but it’s happened in just a tank/healer group. Maybe they just want certain classes. No idea
Also have sat in Lfg for an hour without any applicants to my own group.
I’d like to push keys because it’s a big part of the game and I’ve always been a dungeon guy. But oh well, if it’s a big problem like it has been, then I can have fun in other content.
People decline people all the time for random reasons. You can’t take it personally. I have an 1100 io and I get denied for 10s and what not too. Just depends on the leader and what they want. And if you sit in queue for a long time try delisting and relisting so it bumps your group back to the top of the finder. Otherwise it gets lost at the bottom where no one will see it.
i don’t like i level either. i liked it better when it was hid. Let people figure out what stats are best.