Without it, I would never pug groups or meet people because the chance of a group working out in a higher key level would be the same as taking a randomly generated LFR N’Zoth group and putting them into Heroic.
I also love that it’s totally optional! For those that don’t like it, you can just not install it and seek each other out to play with! Woo!
It’s as important as Arena rating to reflect experience. Doesn’t guarantee success, but nobody seems upset that a 2.8k multiglad isn’t queuing up with a 400 rated player. The same applies to RIO.
Great tool and will continue to use it next expansion.
i understand where you are coming from and can agree that for high keys, it is helpful. now try and understand where the other side is coming from. most of them dont care if a key succeeds (beat the timer). they are trying to meet the bar blizzard has set with the weekly cache
A high end group has expectation that I don’t want or have the time to meet, just please carry me ok? wow you won’t carry me, gonna post in gen forums about how RaiderIO is a toxic tool
If there are enough of you that don’t care surely you should have an easy time forming groups with one another. Simply place a “NO RAIDER IO” note in the LFG listing and your group should flourish!
And you won’t see me not supporting it, because I do support it. So if you’re going to try and pretend to claim I am against it then you’re lying. I just think it’s stupid to go out of your way to create threads just to cause arguments.
I invited the first 4 people that signed up for a regular mythic Atal’dazar on a new alt and I actually ran oom trying to heal them on 2nd boss because they couldn’t figure out how to kill totems at the same time and when they did 1 of them kept screwing it up.
I see where you are coming from. i do. it sucks when you r key isn’t timed. but try to see this from the other side. some people aren’t on during the time their guild runs keys. or they play a class that is over populated in the guild they don’t want to leave because they’ve been in it since they started playing. in these cases, they have issues even getting into keys at all because everyone wants a good io score. which you cant get if you cant get into the keys.
I believe this it’s a retort thread from one created by a hunter who says RIO is toxic and RIO is why they cannot get into a +2. There’s a lot of other context that I am not including here, but this thread popped up a bit after the hunter’s thread did.
As Nyri eluded to, from the content to the phrasing of the title, this thread is a direct response to https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/raiderio-is-toxic-and-ruins-the-game-for-many/587100
im not saying you have to, but everyone just dismisses everyone else’s ideas … there has to be a middle ground … or maybe there isn’t … but threads like this just make it worse.
I think the point is that this mindset trickles down to low level groups too because they mindlessly see “high score say this good” so it reflects badly on the system as a whole even though that’s not the system’s fault.
You (plural you) should have different levels of expectations based on the content. E.g. if you’re doing a +7 you don’t need to treat it with the same expectations or filters as a +17. But instead you have people blindly parroting stuff that doesn’t actually apply to them.
The tool takes the blame for this because you can’t point to a specific group of people and say “These people are using it wrong” and even if you could you would get the whole “its not wrong” argument.
