At a bare minimum am I allowed to note that the raider site has been down for who knows how long? Is that enough to ask for Blizzard to make their own? At least we know if the game is running the servers an in game scoring system will always be up.
Let’s not sight the rest of the stuff that can be wrong with it, but being down means no updated scores, no way of vetting players without the addon that may have scores that are out of date.
No, what they should be doing is finding a way to break Raider IO.
All it does is turns people into jerks over a number that doesn’t mean much.
It’s just Gear Score 2020
And after that they will find another method of tracking players and you have to disable that too, then another. It’s not going to stop by taking out one thing only to find another way to do it.
Well yes, but no.
We still need a way to know what pugs we are getting into, otherwise with no score there will be no pugs. I cannot always run with my guild, and building a list of friends will just alienate people.
And if you remove IO completely a new system will crop up and it will be the same issue. The number does mean something if you use it the right way, like asking for a 1.5K IO for anything under a 10 is stupid. With a Blizzard system the bare minimum you should be able to see in game what keys people have done, than you can work on iLVL and key completion data, same as what you can find on the armory, just faster in game.
I do like sources to help with information on who has done what, but using the scoring system as if Mythic+ is like a rated BG is something I am against.
Why should blizzard break it? It allows people to find skilled groups.
I don’t do the mythic+ grind this xpac and even I can see the need for this tool.
Pugging blindly blows. Raider IO helps eliminate some of the guesswork.
i really want them to adopt the raider .io system.
remeber OQ? like they made open group finder shortly after every raider downloaded it.
While raider io is a fine tool as it is, since it doesn’t show if a player bails after a wipe, it still a shot in the dark, just not in the blinding dark.
If Blizzard was to put their own system, it would have to include the times one has bailed on a team.
This would be great, more players would complete keys because all those ‘elite’ players will have to stick around or face not getting into keys.
And once they break it, another will take its place.
Simple, remove the API function from the dungeon section of the armory. No one but raider cares too much about that information.
Care to remind everyone what happened to Gearscore in Cataclysm? Oh right…it got added baseline to the game.
Addons don’t turn people into jerks.
What you’re experiencing is jerks using an addon.
I know its a unique concept to wrap your head around, but Addons are just tools.
It’s adorable that you think that will stop people from coming up with some way to vet people for M+
Absolutely adorable.
The API just makes the info usable by third party program. If you remove that, people will just go to your armory and it will just take that much longer to form groups. It’ll just take longer to get denied.
Remove the function to allow external sites from gathering the data that shows your key completion and what do you have? No way to extract that data without going through each and every person in the game.
Gearscore became iLVL because players were able to look at all gear in game and say “It is worth X”, than when you wore that piece of gear you were gifted with a score.
My M+ page in game is mine, no one else can see it, they can only head to my armory page to view it, and if no external site can get that data than what else could possibly be put in place to make a ‘scoring’ system?
Exactly.
But yes your point of people heading to armory is fine, so allow Blizzard to show that information in game, like I have said many times before. The score you see now is just a made up number by a group of people to try and help others.
Once you learn to read the armory information the IO score is useless, problem is you cannot see the armory information with ease.
I have bad news for you. Gear score is essentially on every piece of gears tool tip in the game. It is just called ilvl now instead.
And to the op, I was on the site a few hours ago and it worked fine for looking itself up
Only problem I have ever had with tools like Raider IO, Gearscore, etc… is, while they are great tools, they eventually become misused by some of the playerbase. No real solution to that other than to eliminate all forms of score and numbers from every aspect of the game.
Come on, Blizzard is well known for “outsourcing” tool developement to the community, i don’t think it’d be super hard to implement a tool to track runs by completition, time, level and affixes and bring some clairty into this whole situation.
No one but raiders care, but we need to remove it?
And don’t worry yall, the site is working once again. I believe it was mostly server maintenance.
What clarity is lacking?