Raider I.O is killing WoW?!

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I’ve been studying Raider I.O interface and found out something interesting:

As everyone else knows, Raider I.O checks applying players that are trying to join a group, just after the default blizzard LFG tool (it does the same, but, without some details);
If you take a careful look at the options, Raider I.O will CUT you IF the party leader checks some “interesting” options like “Have blue gear” (under 340 piece of gear), “Wiped at this dungeon?” or even “How high was the overall damage”.

Of course, those terms above are just raw interpretations of the real options of Raider I.O but NOT an opinion of somebody that hates the AddOn, however, when i said that for the first time i just got the line:

“Life is not fair, my friend, get used with that”

And i wasn’t even complaning… the fact is, as everything in WoW, we just have to swallow everything (good or bad) about the game… but, blindly throw the power in players’ hands like that?! Ohh well… now that’s my opinion: wow is dying and this bad-behavior with the AddOn (and i’m not blaming the AddOn, but the filthy hands touching it) is helping.

Dungeons are about groups, if somebody is using the addon to get players that are simply above 365 ilvl, that’s OK! But most people are chosing 370+, 380+, 390+, etc for dungeons like King’s Rest Mythic +4 just to push it faster… i meant, they do not want to UPGRADE their keys, they just want big DPS to finish it faster!

On one hand, Dungeons, Foes and quests that are impossible to handle alone, on the other hand, there’s a real “Fine Comb” to dodge. Blizzard demands groups, groups demand Raider I.O Settings… that’s a NoWayOUT Circunstance. Not to mentions people selling runs promissing iLvL upgrades for real money.

I’m not asking for justice or support here (that would be idiot)… just want to know if someone else noticed those facts OR is it just natural and am i being romantic/dramatic?

Peace.

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The point for Raider. IO is to find the best of the best to get the dungeon completed faster. But even than those players still suck. As you mention “Not to mentions people selling runs promissing iLvL upgrades for real money.” that is against ToS and is a bannable offense has to be gold for gold now.

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You’re not the only one to notice this. I think it’s a combination of lazy design that puts access to casual content into the hands of mostly elites rather than design and implement an access sytem, and the elitist attitude that the few devs who actually play the game clearly have.

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Just a product of it’s environment.
When you can get 360/370/380+ for little effort, or a lot of gold, it gives no indication of the player’s actual ability.
Especially in the cases of a fresh boosted character that probably hasn’t even looked in their spellbook yet and checked what half their abilites/utility actually is.

if Raider IO didn’t exist, after a day or 2 (Depending on people’s threshold’s) there’d be people complaining on the forum about no way to filter players that actually know what they’re doing from someone that’s just either been lucky with loot drops, or paid their way through carries.

So, probably being a bit too romantic/dramatic.

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a game is suppose to be fun and enjoying, why put up these restrictions and prevent people to play?

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Every player has the ability to start their own group and invite people according to their own criteria. No one is really preventing anyone else from playing.

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When I play one of my dps alts I just got to the point of not even trying to join a key but rather just start my own. It always works better that way.

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all this thread boils down to is OP saying “im entitled to be invited to your group. carry me. but i dont want justice, dont hate on me for saying this”

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I get that, it’s just that most mythic+ groups have very very high expectations and requirements. There was this one dude who wanted 360+ilevel for Mythic 0 SoB yesterday.

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all i see is some dude who will never get a M0 SoB group together. and even if he did get a group together, how does his asking for 360 affect you at all? i dont see how his requirements for a group affect the kind of group you can host

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why is it called raider io when it’s primarily used for M+?

also, it’s extremely stupid that I can’t put raider . io, without the spaces.

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It doesn’t effect me but it’s just insane how people have such high requirements and expectations.

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but its just like i said, i dont see some1 looking for 360 when i see that, i see somebody who will never get a group together because nobody who is 360 geared wants to run a 0 unless its motherlode and they are an engineer. but at that point they will solo the trash for the loot

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Do everybody here a favor and download the addon and /raiderio . Literally nothing you listed even exists.

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380+ for minimal effort? Teach me!

EDIT: Does WF gear even warforge to 380+? The max I’ve seen is 375. Plus, they happen 2x a month, with the probability of you getting the same slot and doesn’t grant you rings or trinkets (only 7 item slots since your neck is an artifact weapon). I’ve done it 3 times on my main and I got 3 cloaks in a row. So assuming you want to gear 7 slots, it would take 14 weeks, or about 4 months. And that’s once again excluding the probability of receiving the same gear. I’m sick of people who use these as an excuse. Is it a nice boost? Maybe, but for anyone who raids heroic+, they’re useless for the most part. It would be impossible or highly unlikely for a casual to get 380 ilvl because it would take MINIMALLY 4 months and an insane level for WF luck.

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get lucky with the M+ chest, i have gotten over 10 azurite items from it and i wish it would stop giving me more. i need 380 items that arent azurite so i can catch up to the rest of my M+ group. they are all 383 minimum, one is at 387

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The biggest issue i feel is its furthering the filtering process.

See before it was do dungeons get gear. do heroic dungeons get gear. maybe do some rep grind get gear. so normal<heroic<rep gear<raid<heroic raid.

Then they added mythic dungeons and we now have this gap inbetween. so before if heroic gear gave you 310 and raid gear gave you 340 well most people would be like. eeeh have 305+. but they added mythic and mythics give you 325 (in this scenario) so now its well clearly you need to have 325+ to do raids (when you don’t not even close) but oh oh oooh i forgot… its not just mythic its mythic+ “Mythic+ oh boy whats that?” well ill tell you little johnny you know raid gear? you know how its got a high ilvl that silly thing we use to judge peoples “skill” well you can get gear even better with higher ilvls than raids by doing these mythics isnt that cool? “Oh yes mister thats mighty cool the only thing cooler would be if it could be higher!” ooooh well johnny do i have a treat for you. you see you can work just as hard as anyone else but out of pure luck you can be given an item that has stats even better than mythic raiders! “Gear better than MYTHIC RAIDERS???” Ho ho ho yes johnny all you need is some good luck and by doing some low skill content you can get this amazing piece of equipement! even better because you can get it people assume you should have it so if you were looking to do a PUG raid that drops 340 ilvl gear the people will want you to have 350 because oh you might get some nice mythic+ titan forges.

I think i made my point. ilvl’s are a nightmare that make it so you are “skilled” so when we give players who don’t have skill free mythic raiding quality ilvl gear it hurts everyone else. then so genius decides “oh hey guys you know what would be awsome!?” “oh satan why dont you tell us” “we-we-well how about we add another number that doesn’t mean anything on top of ilvl that’ll help us weed out the weak ones huh?” “satan you sure are one smart fellow”.

EDIT: Also free mythic gear at the end of the week cool blizz cool.

RIP

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If I’m not mistaken, 380 loot comes from a +10? I wouldn’t consider that minimal effort. And it’s very inaccessible for casual players. You could say “push your own key” but I have trouble pushing them after 8. Know why? Because only a few dungeons are good in M+, if your key sucks, nobody is going to join and you can’t deplete your key as a single player, I think. If I don’t push my own 8s, other groups ask for literally 800+io for M6 keys. So no, it’s not “minimal effort”.

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That free mythic gear isn’t mythic at all. Isn’t mythic 385+? The warfront gives 370, which is heroic gear. And that’s like what, twice a month or once? And if you have terrible RNG like me, you get the same slot over and over again. If you raid heroic, like I do on my priest, the warfront does nothing to help. All my slots are 375+ except for trinkets and WFs don’t drop trinkets :slight_smile:

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What…raid.io doesn’t do any of that. It just tracks your dungeon experience and assigns a score based on that.

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