Raid or die

9.1 is going to be one of those patches that it is raid or die. purely due to the domination gems and special weapon effects. You are going to be miles and I mean miles behind people who do raid. the domination gems are insanely powerful and while the set bonus for them only works in raid the individual gems and their effects work everywhere.

It’s going to be much more of a power gap between those who raid and those who don’t than before. Also this is only talking about the PVE side I’m not sure how much it will effect competitive PVP in arena but I’m sure those players will want to try to snag the individual gems as well which means they would have to raid to get the highest ilvl armor with the sockets on them

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Why does it matter if people are stronger than you in pve though? Also it won’t effect pvp because of the gearing changes they made.

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It matters because this game is competitive pve. It’s what draws many of us to this game. Raiders have had the best gear, best conduits, best azerite, and now best sockets for as long as I’ve played the game.

I personally don’t care if they get gear that is 500 item levels above everyone else, that allows them to do crazy things. Just dont allow it in any other game modes. Raid gear should work in the raid. mythic+ gear should only work in keys, and pvp gear should only work in pvp

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Lol. They’ve done nothing but avoid that template ever since “we lost the PvP vendors in MoP”.

They couldn’t even manage that with raid and PvP. I can’t imagine them trying to do it with 3 different systems.

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The power gap doesn’t bother me, especially for what I do in game. I will try and get the best gear that I can for my playstyle, but realize I will eventually hit a wall, kind of where I am right now. Those who raid, do mythics or pvp, deserve the better gear, and they need it.

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Because that affects whether or not you get invited to keys, which makes it a question of if you get to play the game or not.

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Yeah no. People get gear it should be useable to all game modes.

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If the player base shrinks again form 9 1 then maybe someone at the top will take notice and make the changes needed in staffing to fix this mess of a game… Thats the only thing thats gonna fix it. They have proven time and time again that they do not care what we want in the game. They take the feedback and male their version of what was asked for and its always been bad.

Just take the feedback literal and do exactly like suggested. Gah the arrogance.

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If you’re not getting invited to keys make your own. Or you could Idk make friends and run with them.

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Dumbest answer to this problem and people keep saying it.

  1. People will not join your key if they wouldn’t accept you in theirs.
  2. Even running your keys, you will need to supplement with other keys because you don’t control which keys you get and you need to work your way up in all 8 dungeons for IO and milestones 5, 10, 15.
  3. You can’t target drops you need or quests only running your own keys.
  4. Friends won’t always be on in 1-3-1 proportions.

That’s just off the top of my head while at work about how insufficient your answer is as a solution to the problem.

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I mean there’s no science behind it. Have the gear. Know your class. Know the dungeons.

This whole expansion is that way. I’ve written off SL at this point and won’t be buying 10.0. It’s not worth my time investment anymore.

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  1. That’s an excuse. People join keys all the time. I have never armoried a person forming a key.

  2. You use your key to build your io till you can join other groups.

  3. You still get a weekly vault.

  4. That’s why you form with your friends and pug the gaps.

All I heard was excuse excuse excuse I don’t want to put effort in.

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I can’t fix your issues with accepting reality, but I am living the experience on my hunter alt. 150 IO Saturday with a 5 key I earned as top dps in my 3 key. 5 tanks/heals joined and dropped within 30 seconds of joining until I passed lead to the 350 IO DK in the group, and suddenly, no more drops. Then I pulled top dps in the 5 key. You can take your hypothetical “rebuttal” where it belongs when we are living the truth of my comment.

And that’s on top of the fact you ignored the three other equally important reasons I gave. Troll harder.

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Ain’t anyone seriously armorying/checking IO scores for a +3(…or 5? You seem to refer to it as both. Either way, point stands).

Personal experience is just that personal. I have never had issues filling a key.

I responded to every point you made.

How? None of the rewards you cant get through pve are based on any competition besides the title for the first 100 guilds that clear mythic lol.

It’s the hardest content so yeah why wouldn’t raids have the best gear?

The changes to PvP gear have basically made this a thing.

Just because raid gear is better than mythic+ gear doesn’t mean you need it to complete mythic+.

No it doesn’t. No one is going to check if you have sockets or not, they’re going to check your raiderio which is now built into the game. You don’t need raid gear to get a high raiderio lol.

This thread proves one thing. Some people are either delusional or simply completely shielded from the actual experience of a huge portion of the player base.

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That would be you.

People don’t check IO for a 3 or even a 5 key. If they do they are probably bad and you’re better off they left.

Also your experience isn’t the same as mine or anyone else in this thread.

You literally have an excuse for everything.

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And, now I have to ignore them for trolling.

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