Raid Difficulty

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I mean, there’s a clear path from WotLK 25H to current Mythic. Remember: Mythic is just a name that replaced Heroic, because Blizzard needed a 3rd difficulty after adding in the much easier Flex raid in 5.4, and then making both Flex and Normal Flex, meaning Flex was a useless word.

So from WotLK to now, there’s a definite path :

WotLK 10N → Nothing → Flex raid → Normal
WotLK 10H/25N → 10N/25N → Normal → Heroic
WotLK 25H → 10H/25H → Heroic → Mythic

This isn’t a “you think so”, this is a fact. And a 100% correct fact.

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And I would argue that ICC 10/25 heroic was much more accessible to more players that mythic ever has been. Mythic raiding has never been or never will be an accessible form or raiding to a casual player and because of that will never be justified dev time.

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“old good, new bad”. :dracthyr_love_animated:

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I can’t measure something that i can’t try, so MoP when Heroic was 10/25 man. I can’t try Mythic with that 20man requirement…

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How would 25H Lich king be more accessible than Mythic ?

It’s even worse, you need 5 extra players.

ICC 10 was never on par with Mythic, so dunno why you bring it up. 10H gave 25N equivalent loot, it’s today’s Heroic raid.

Just to drive the point further home, check this out :

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It was more accessible because you could experience the same mechanics on 10/25 H, I got that CE during MoP then Blizzard added mythic and my guild can’t reach 20+ to even check those new mechanics, it’s awful.

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Pretty sure that only came with Cataclysm’s normalization. WotLK 10H wasn’t at the 25H level yet.

Guy is talking ICC, not Bastion of Twilight.

Mythic wasn’t added. Heroic was renamed and they dropped the multiple raid size aspect to just give you 1 option.

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WoD with MoP close behind.

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  1. The size of the raid does not mean is more or less accessible.

  2. Cutting edge means nothing

  3. Any MYTHIC raid is much less accessible than ICC heroic ever was… And you clearly didn’t raid it.

But I guess the 10 million sub count in wrath vs the what maybe 1 or 2 million sub count in the “mythic we hate casuals era”

Math is on my side

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It’s the best because that’s when I was good at the game. :dracthyr_love_animated:

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Cutting Edge literally is the reward for finishing Heroic then/Mythic now, showing that the difficulty was renamed, not added.

Mythic now is WotLK 25H and Cataclysm/MoP Heroic.

Further proof : Heroic Garrosh in 5.4 is literally the Mythic Garrosh fight right now in the game. Heroic Garrosh right now in the game doesn’t have his 4th phase, meaning he’s in fact, Normal Garrosh from 5.4.

Like I don’t know what else you need to understand Mythic isn’t a new mode. It’s the old Heroic.

So if you found 25H Lich King accessible : guess what, Mythic is as accessible now.

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Mythic will has never or will never be as accessible as ICC heroic was.

Clearly you did not raid ICC

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I don’t know what more proof I need to link at this point hahahaha.

And clearly you didn’t raid it before the 30% nerf was put in.

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There’s always Wrath Classic to relive the glory days of having people to play with. :dracthyr_comfy_sip: Very few of those pesky mechanics to fail and get bullied over like in modern wow.

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LOL you think that graphic is accurate… that cute

And i guess ICC was released in 5.4… well I guess you learn something everyday… Funny I must have missed the lich king quests on Pandaria…

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It’s literally from Blizzard :

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lLdOmX8C0z8J:https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/13942448/dev-watercooler-raiding-azeroth-part-3-warlords-of-draenor&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Are you saying 25H SoO was somehow different from 25H ICC ? Aside from that whole 30% nerf thing you waited for.

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Different expansions 4 years apart.

It must be hard to have common sense.

And you know what they say about assumptions.

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Best raids were in MoP.
Second best raids were in WoD.

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HAHAHAHA…!

According to Google it’s 1% who have cutting edge. Followed immediately by an RMT ad to buy CE.

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TBC. You still needed to use CC. But there wasn’t an overwhelming layer of exceptional nonsense you needed to do in order to just play the game besides one time attunments.