Racials in Classic WoW have always been a make or break - If you PVP you play Undead, want to be competitive in parsing? Play Human/Orc or forever be stuck with Edgemasters. Racials certain lock people in boxes if they want to be competitive in any level. as it stands Orc is busted and Dwarves are so bad, its going to create a giant issue with shamans on Alliance side of things. Racials should be flavorful additions, I think racials need to be nerfed in the sense that people should choose a class based on preference rather than performance. And sure there will always be the people who say “just play what you want” but when one racial has CLEAR advantages over another, the obvious choice takes president over the majority just playing what they like. No one race should be the clear better option performance wise for a certain class/spec. Nerf racials to be solely flavorful
No one cares about your cutting-edge-everything-has-to-be-balanced retail mindset. There will be better racials for certain things, and that’s okay. It’s not going to make more than a tiny percentage difference.
i mean if you’re talking about pvp stoneskin is probably the strongest defensive racial in the game by a pretty large margin. dwarfs aren’t completely uselese, people just dont like the small king aesthetic
Why nerf racials? Why not bring up under performing ones and give every race a niche it could be good at? And i’m not talking about giving every one a button with a CD to boost DPS either. I believe the devs can make interesting and unique racials without killing them all or making them useless cosmetics
I don’t even mind racials being powerful, but I want them balanced.
Each race gets a 2% crit from a specific weapon, and every class has proficiency with that weapon (think Nightelves having bows and priest being able to use a bow instead of a wand).
Each race gets a 1% main stat - agility for elves, stam for orcs, etc.
Each race gets a pvp perk like escape artist or will to survive or a movement perk like plainsrunning.
Each race has a 15 second cooldown like bloodfury or elune’s light.
Yes, some races will come out better for specific classes, but it would at least bring some level of balance as a whole.
Whats the point in boxing performance into races once again. Its not about “Balance” there will always be better classes and specs and I dont mind that and I hope thats how it is. However some races are just objectivly better which is causing people to funnel into certain races over another which is stupid because then it vears people away from playing a race they may prefer becasue another is just better. Dwarf for instance are just dog water. There is 0 reason to choose a Dwarf over say an Orc, unless you just want to play Alliance, boxing people into choices rather than creating vareity is not “retail mindset” it makes the game better to have better choices.
So it’s okay to have better classes but not better races? Your logic isn’t consistent
Id say im fine with not nerfing racials, but when one racial is miles ahead of another thats not even good design. at least buff all racials to become closer aligned or nerf the overpowered ones. I dont think it needs perfect Balance like retail. but when you compare Orc to Dwarf, its not even close
Races abilities don’t need to be strictly balanced but each races needs abilities that other races are jealous of. If all the racial abilities are cool, then that is as much “balance” as needed.
ya because there will always be changes in the meta for classes, it will be ever changing as the game continues develpoment, once phase one class will be king, then with patches and changes it will change to anotehr class. but if you are the worse race in that class, you will always underperform compare to the broken class, thats bad design
I’ve always been in favor of disabling racials in instanced content, like GW2 did, but Blizz refuses, so shrug.
10% increased AP and SP > Find Treasures… LOL I agree with your statement, but they need to be balanced on a performance level. Like Orc compared to Night Elf is a great comparison. but the actives for some are just miles better than others, no one is jealous of Dwarves lol
You don’t need to be a human/orc to hit 99s and 100s, major cope
So classes can change but racial abilities cannot? Huh
thats literally the point of the post, change racials lol
But you just said racials can’t change… Are you okay?
I never said the current set up was good, just that going the direction of strict balance isn’t necessary. They do need to bring up some of the other racial abilities so that there is something to be jealous of.
you know if blizzard added titanforged loot to wowforever noboday would care about racials at all, just loot.
I get it, Dwarves are pretty rough right now, and that sucks for Alliance shamans since it’s the only race that can play one.
But making racials flavor only goes too far imo. Stuff like War Stomp, Will of the Forsaken, Stoneform is a big part of what makes races feel different. Take that away and races are just skins.
I’d rather they just fix the outliers. Buff Dwarves and Skyborne, tone down whatever’s actually overtuned, and keep the gap small. Some races being a bit better at certain things is fine, it just shouldn’t feel like you’re throwing for picking the race you like.
I think the Defensive/PVP racials are great, im talking strinctly performance actives. I think warstomp, will of forsaken, escape artist, stoneform all of those are great. its performance actives im strictly speaking of. pretty much only orc and NE got them. id just like to see the other races get something similar. like bloodfury compared to find treasure , that’s a joke imo lol