Questions about Frostmoune *Spoilers*

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So after watching the animated short again, I was really curious about the scene where Arthas stabs Uther and seemingly his soul is split in two. One half appears claimed by Frostmourne and the other half seems to be with the Light or ascends.

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Now, I am not sure if this is to help explain why Uther talks to us from inside Frostmourne in Halls of Reflection but how he appears to his former Blood Elf apprentice in the Plaguelands. Or if this means something deeper like Uther’s soul could not fully be claimed by the Maw or the Light so he ended up in purgatory.

I’m leaning towards the latter because we see Sylvanas get stabbed by Frostmourne it seems to take all of her soul. And knowing this is a weapon of the Maw this is perhaps why she ended up getting damned after the event of the Edge of Night.

So what do you guys think? Was Frostmourne created to send souls to the Maw? If so, is Illidan damned to the Maw as well for being scarred by Frostmourne or does his demonsoul protect him?

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I think its more that the Light saved part of Uther’s soul from being absorbed into Frostmourne, might just be me but at the start or the video Uther seemed… A bit vacant when he got to Bastion.

It could be that all of Uther’s soul only got reunited when Frostmourne was shattered (And even then, I think it didn’t get back to Bastion and some quest down the expansion will ask us to get back the other half of Uther’s soul).

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Him and the player DH both have “an immortal demon soul” and go to the Twisting Nether instead or the Shadowlands, just like any real demon.

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I’m guessing off the top of my head that the Light intervened for Uther while no such thing happened for Sylvanas. Thus, his soul seems like it gets split (or as they describe it, is wounded, because it’s incomplete?) and I’m guessing we might discover more of what exactly is going with him once we do the questlines.

So far, it also looks like Frostmourne is a kind of weapon that collects souls exclusively for the Maw and I’m assuming that the helm of the Lich King allows the Jailer to control it’s wearer into acting out his wishes. Dunno about Illidan though, as I’m not aware of most of the lore surrounding him. But off the top of my head, I’m guessing since demons end up going to a completely different place when they die, the Jailer does not have any control over their souls.

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Alternatively, hers got pulled out because Arthas specifically was focused on ripping her soul from her body and turning her into a Banshee. When he killed Uther, he just sort of stabbed him and let Frostmourne do its thing so not all of it was captured by it.

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I think that everyone is spot on with their thinking here, but something very important to remember is that after Frostmourne was broken, the souls in it were released. At the time of when Arthas killed Uther, obviously, not all of the souls were going into the Maw like they are now. That shift happened in BC, timeline wise.

So, half of Uther goes to Bastion, as we see in the video, but the other half goes into Frostmourne. Then, at the end of Wrath, the Lich King’s weapon is shattered, and the souls are released. So, since half of Uther was in the weapon–we communed with it in WotLK–where does this other, blue half go? Into the Maw. This is because chronologically Frostmourne is shattered after the Maw began sucking up everyone’s soul–the issue we’re trying to solve in Shadowlands–which again, happened in BC, before the Lich King dies.

So, Frostmorne did not directly send souls to the Shadowlands, because we know the souls were released from it. But, since all of those souls went to the Maw anyway, like every other soul did at the time (unbeknownst to us), half of Uther is now in the Maw.

Some people are speculating that when Frostmourne was shattered, Uther was somehow reunited with the other half of his Soul, but that simply isn’t possible, because the souls from Frostmourne were forced to go to the Maw, like everyone’s was.

I believe what we are likely to see is something unprecedented. With human half of Uther locked away in the same place his Kyrian half just threw the Lich King, Uther will meet Arthas, his old student, in the Maw. Perhaps, we may even see the two hash it out, or just maybe, working together again to fight the forces of the Maw.

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This retcon of how Frostmourne works is solely for the purpose of Steve Danuser to have an excuse to keep his undead waifu around. I mean, imagine retconing twenty odd years of lore just so you can keep your waifu alive. That’s dedication.

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You better watch your clever mouth

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There, restored the dialogue to its original glory.

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How is it a retcon?

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Turning Banshee Queen Sylvanas into Sylvanas’s Evil Half(if that is what happens) pretty much makes Danuser not value the Banshee Queen but the Ranger General of Silvermoon!

He loves Sylvanas’s past self(who indeed valued Nathanos) to the point where he would make her a distinct entity from the Banshee Queen.

He’d probably have the Banshee Queen kill Nathanos’s Soul in the Maw just so that Ranger General Sylvanas can seek to avenge him.

It of course would turn Nathanos’s story into what Danuser deems a tragedy where a Man separated from his beloved reunites with her failing to realize that it is not her but the evil part of her who wouldn’t hesitate to cast him aside at a moment’s convenience.

The truth would only be revealed when his Soul dies and his lover comes across it’s remains and is exposed to what her split off dark half has done.

Danuser would love such an overly dramatic tragedy…

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Do you have a source on this? I thought it was mid Legion that the Maw starts claiming all the souls.

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It seems to me that, because Uther faithfully served the Light for all his days, the Light did save a part of his soul, bifurcating it and allowing one half to go to the Shadowlands.
This, however, leaves open the mystery of what became of his other half that stayed with Frostmourne until it broke. Devos is seen there, but no such soul is seen, so what happened to it?

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Hang on, this can’t be right. Characters from even early Legion like Ysera are still seen in Ardenweald and the like, the lantern Sylvanas tried to use to enslave the Valkyr getting shattered was the catalyst for this, not just some random point in Wrath.

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That actually makes a lot of sense like how Arthas first deed after putting the helm on was to purge Ner’zhul from within so he could have total control or should we say the Jailer could have total control of the Lich King’s actions.

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You have most likely put more thought into this than Steve Danuser has. But yes, I am leaning toward the likely narrative of “Look, see, it was her evil side all along doing all the bad things, but now that her good side is back, all is forgiven.”

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Demon Soul, you say?

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It seems like the event was purposely orchestrated by the same hand who had Sylvanas made the Warchief. Somehow they knew Uther would be a contradiction that could be exploited to get Arthas thrown into the Maw without having him going through whatever the normal process of afterlife recycling is before we have to come along and fix it.

My guess would be to use Arthas as a bargaining chip…as that would be the one soul I could use to sway the Banshee Queens mind with.

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I suspect there is a little more to this. Thinking on things we’ve seen what Sylvanas did with the Helm of Domination. So what if when Frostmourne was shattered it had a lesser effect and created the first cracks in the Maw? That’s how when Sylvanas dies in Edge of Night she ends up in the Maw to begin with.

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I don’t think so. When Frostmourne is shattered all the souls are freed, which means it stores souls inside the blade, not into the Maw.