Quality? Debatable. Quantity? Absolutely not. Plenty of work has gone into BfA. They didn’t phone the expansion in. One could almost wish they had, but to say it’s a filler expansion is disingenuous at best.
Yes but you’ve already paid for BfA. You’re asking to get less of what you’ve already paid for, so you can hurry up and pay for more. Get it yet?
… Are we playing the same BFA? WoD was a giant grindfest with a year and a half content drought. BFA is a giant grindfest with more grind introduced each patch. This expansion pales in comparison to Legion. Blizzard themselves admitted azerite gear was a huge mistake and, since the release of Classic, acknowledge they make too many changes, “reinvent the wheel too much,” to quote them.
I don’t know why this is so hard for you to understand, but -I don’t like- what they’ve done with BFA. Get it yet?
Do I need to provide the laundry list of problems with the expansion compared to the previous one?
How long have you been playing WoW? If you should know anything about Blizzard, it’s that when they release a problematic expansion, they only patch small bandaids and make the real improvements with the following expansion. I feel like I’m talking to a pet rock.
Are you having difficulties with reading? I literally just said that quality is a separate conversation. BfA objectively has more content than WoD, which was abandoned halfway. They’ve added new systems and new zones and tons and tons of content. It’s not a filler expansion. They really tried on this one. The gameplay behind it is just terrible.
Lol alright, chief.
Honestly sounds like you’re just burnt out in general. I suggest taking a break for a few weeks / months and see how you feel.
And the gameplay is terrible because their current design philosophy is terrible. I’m not sure why anyone thinks that a new expac with the same design philosophy will be fundamentally different.
Stormwind raid sounds tacky and lazy (reused assests). Just like it was with Orgrimmar and Dazar’alor.
We need a cooler place than that for a final raid!
i don’t want her to become a raid boss. i want tyrande to live up to the hype of being elune’s walking avatar of wrath to wade through sylvanus’s forsaken and beat sylvanus into a pulp with nathanos’s twitching remains before sticking the banshee in a gimp suit and using her for a footrest. let the raid be something else.
Well going off Blizzard’s track record, it will probably be as you described, only after we “kill” her as a raid boss. You know, like Super Saiyan Thrall did in Dragon Soul.
yeah, elune’s avatar of wrath isn’t wrathful at all since we’ll have to do the work for her.
Then honestly you should just take a break until 9.0. But stop asking for it to come out “sooner.” That’s not how development works. The last thing we should be asking Blizzard is for them to rush an expansion, especially considering the myriad of problems BFA had at launch. And we definitely shouldn’t be asking them to just skip the final patches that were planned for this expansion. All that’s going to happen is the next expansion will still take however long it will take to develop it, it’ll probably still have massive launch issues, and they just decide to cancel BFA’s third act because “I guess people don’t want to play this anymore.”
That’s grossly anti-consumer. You are not only asking for the purchasing power of BFA’s retail price to be reduced, you are also asking for a content drought so long as you get to sit back and imagine that they’re hard at work on something you may or may not even like.
I can’t believe it’s even an argument for people to honestly say a thing like “9.0 can’t come soon enough, just cancel this expansion and work on the next one.” After the debacle that was WoD, it should be standard that every expansion has at least 3 major content patches in its life cycle. Let them get away with anything less and you’ve just devalued the purchasing power of your own dollar.
If it became standard to offer less and less content with each expansion, I’d honestly probably just stop buying expansions altogether.
So let’s not ask for that to happen, alright bud?
Yes. Its us killing nzoth.
I fully expect 8.3 and another raid tier.
Blizzard hasn’t even announced the next expansion yet, which could mean it’s 9-12 months away. If they don’t release a new raid tier the “content drought” at the end of the expansion is going to be HUGE!
Hopefully Blizzard learned their lesson about not having 3 major content patches with raids in WoD. After all… that’s the primary reason WoD is widely considered to be the worst WoW expansion ever.
On the other hand, Blizzard has demonstrated in BFA that they forgot many of the lessons of old… things like players not liking huge buffs/nerfs mid-patch cycle. It took them a third of the expansion to relearn those lessons.
If they forgot those lessons, perhaps they also forgot the lesson from WoD about not having enough content.
Methinks the lady hath a bee in her bonnet 
Excellent counter-argument! Well done, old boy! 
I didn’t realize I needed to provide a counter argument for something that bloody silly, regardless of how objectively wrong it is.
This expansion has a lot of problems which have been listed thoroughly through the forums. Do you really need me to list every single one for you as if they aren’t common knowledge? Or will a top five do? Global cooldown, azerite armor, poor plot and storytelling, still Pathfinder, and of course, the most important of all, the reputation gating everything/grind.
You clearly don’t have any understanding of how Blizzard releases expansions, minor and major patches, or implements new systems and story arcs. The reason people wanted WoD to end was because it was a bad expansion with bad changes. They were adding in a series of Band-Aid patches that only made things tolerable. They waited until 7.0 to make actual system improvements.
What you’re suggesting is that we do the exact same thing with BFA as WoD, except drawing out the series of Band-Aid patches for who knows how long. I don’t understand why, it’s never been that way before and I don’t know why the company would start now just because you want them to. Hard to believe given your characters achievement list, but I suppose a blind horse can still run as they say.
Yes, you do. Because I don’t care about pushing agendas or ad-hominem. I only care about facts and what is logically correct. I found your last response rather dismissive of the work I put into my post, and so I responded in kind and resigned to let the matter rest. However, if you wish to continue to argue (as evidenced by your reply here) then I will oblige.
No, I don’t. I am aware of the problems in this expansion. Everyone is. I don’t deny they exist, but they’re also irrelevant to what I’m saying. You seem to be taking my words as a defense of BFA and a resistance to the very nature of change when that couldn’t be further from the truth. I still enjoy BFA for what it is, but I’m looking forward to what comes next as well. Those aren’t mutually exclusive sentiments.
What I take issue with is the reduction of purchasing power brought about by nonsensical community arguments like “just scrap this whole thing and start over.” That doesn’t hurt anyone else but us, the poor suckers who paid for an expansion that is apparently the worst of all time if the forums are to be believed, and absolves the developers of any responsibility to earn back our trust within the expansion we already paid for.
If your response to a bad expansion is going to be “just put a bullet in the dome and hurry up work on the next one,” then what that says to the company is that they can afford to release a bad product and do little to maintain it, because you’ll still be purchasing the next product at full retail price. Meanwhile, the people who paid for BFA at full price, and are enjoying it, get screwed out of entire patches-worth of content because the community decided it would much rather move on.
That hardly sounds like an ethical thing to do to consumers.
Which is why my response to that was that if you are truly so put-off by the fundamentals that in place for BFA right now, such as the storyline, azerite grind, class design etc., then your solution would be to unsub and wait for 9.0.
I know enough about the development process to know that they have multiple teams working on multiple expansions at once. That’s how they commit to the bi-yearly model we’ve had so far, and at a couple points they even wanted to push them one per year.
What you’re asking for, however, literally only harms us and no-one else. Dumping resources from one team into another doesn’t just magically make things come out faster. That’s not how game development works. If you haven’t been part of the project from day 1 you’re not going to have any idea what the underlying philosophy of the project is, and being educated in that takes up time that could have otherwise just been spent by the teachers making the actual game.
What I don’t want is another WoD, so I don’t know why you’re making that comparison. BFA is not WoD; it already has twice the content WoD ever had. If I purchased WoD at launch and found out the expansion was going to unceremoniously end with the entire middle of its storyline cut, an entire raid tier discarded, a new zone obliterated, and an entire content patch being dedicated to a selfy cam I would be pissed.
There should be a standard expectation of content that comes with an expansion. Otherwise, why are they raising the prices? WoD and BFA were already more expensive than any other expansion that came before them. Asking for less content while still maintaining the drought between expansions (which will happen regardless) only serves to weaken the purchasing power of our dollar.
And why would you want to do that?
Oh that is quite literally not what I’m saying. You make it sound like I’m asking for BFA to be put in Diablo 3’s maintenance mode for years on end for no good reason. Band-aid patches? I don’t care about band-aid patches. I care about content. Regardless of your personal opinions on quality you can’t deny that 8.2 added lots of content to the game. Every expansion has had 3-4 major content patches to the game during its lifetime. You have already admitted that the raids have been good and the developers have indicated that they at least intended for there to be a “final raid boss” after Azshara.
This is all content that we would get for no additional cost. The raid alone would probably be worth it, even if it didn’t come with any massive changes to BFA’s core systems. And we’re supposed to just toss that out because… why, again?
Also;
You might have better luck when arguing if you try to keep personal attacks out of your arguments. Ad hominem just makes it sound like you don’t have a point to begin with. Engage with the points I’m making. Leave me and my progress out of it. Thanks.
I’ll be honest man, I have things to do today that don’t include reading a novel. Sorry you wasted so much time in something nobody will read </3
Took me all of 5 minutes, man. Sorry you get your kicks out of insulting other people. Should probably change a few things around there.
Take care.
Isn’t there a Durotar warfront coming as well?
Next raid. ToS merley set the stage for Antorus.