When we killed him in the Emerald Nightmare, similar to the others that have fallen in the raid and Val’sharah storyline, he was just chillin’ like a villain in the Emerald Dream.
Is the Emerald Dream essentially the waiting room for spirits that are going to Ardenweald. We know they have to “sleep” for a while before they come out of their little egg in Ardenweald from the cinematic. Is this the case or is there an inconsistency?
Honest answer:
Nobody really knows. We definitely need some clarification from the devs.
True, it’s an issue we see all around thus far. With Uther we can infer that half got sent to the Shadowlands and the other got sucked into Frostmourne. With some of these other characters, it is very confusing since we have interacted with them in spirit form after their deaths
Maybe he just stopped by in the emerald dream on his way to ardenweld. Or maybe it was just an echo or a dream of Ursoc in the emerald dream. We saw Ysera there too pointing at the flower in the cave.
Maybe it works like Demons do, when they die they go to the Twisting Nether to slowly respawn; however, going to Argus lets them respawn even faster (before we destroyed that machinery). Staying in the Emerald Dream may be a very, very slow process to recovery, when you can bypass it and go to somewhere with better medical care you probably take that opportunity.
I was wondering if maybe it had to do with the corruption. Maybe he’s split in two and in both places, healing different parts of himself or maybe the Emerald Dream couldn’t fully restore him. Either they explain how he got there or I’m just going to assume they forgot where we last saw him…or that they ignored it.
I think there’s a couple of answers involving this.
After watching the video the line that is dropped is “Rest Well and Dream.” The Dream part is even emphasized. It makes me wonder what is the true purpose of the Emerald Dream because it appears tied to Ardenweald? What is the purpose really in having a place tied to the Pantheon of Life in the realm of Death? Makes me wonder if the Emerald Dream is not just a place for the living, but is more a manifestation of souls of Life asleep in Ardenweald.
Follow-up: I just realized this after reading a comment else where and should have seen it sooner. The Emerald Dream and Ardenweald are based on seasons. The Emerald Dream is Spring and Summer. Ardenweald is Fall and Winter. Based on the Seelie (summer) and Unseelie (winter) courts from Fairy Stories/Legends in the real world. The soul of a spirit of Life goes to Ardenweald to be cared for and rest through the fall and winter period of its rebirth. Once strong enough it moves back to the Emerald Dream, Spring/Summer, to protect the wilds once more. The cycle then repeats of the person dies.
Now if we take this a step further, Anima is the energy of souls that were gained by experiences while alive. It is why long lived souls and powerful ones are so valuable. Keeping that in mind a spirit of life dies, sheds some if not all its anima to Ardenweald. In turn they use some anima to nurture and revive said soul. There must be a net gain here. They must be getting back more Anima then what is used to nurture and revive the soul.
If they are culling souls then there is an imbalance. Where once souls provided more anima then was needed to nurture and revive them now it is less. Thus those in Ardenweald are trying to stop the drain on their resources in order to protect the most pwerful/important souls that make it to the Queen’s Conservatory. Our pale Ursoc sadly is not one such soul.
I think while they are in Ardenweald stasis they can manifest in spiritual forms in the Emerald Dream and other realms they are connect, tho that might have a cost.
I don’t think Ursoc is gone forever, if I remember correctly a Loa only disappears when he stops being worshiped / remembered, like when their shrines are destroyed they lose power.
It’s strange first he died in WoA ,then in the Emerald dream, then again ,in shadowland .Something else happen hopefully we’ll find the answer
Hmmm,you got something there.
I think that was when Ursoc was dreaming in the shadowlands. Hence he showed up in the Dream
I think the most plausible answer is that they write the lore as they go since cataclysm so we’re waiting on the latest retcon clarification.
A clarification of lore in WoW is reaching. No absolutes. Just half truths and lies. Ask Ion the lawyer words of wisdom so eloquently spoken!
there isn’t a lot of lore on emerald dream other than its where druids like to hang out, its practically a mirror world if azeroth was never touched by humanoids and was only nature, and that the old gods caused corruption called the nightmare.
It’s specifically said to Ursoc to ‘rest, and dream’, so the implication I got from that is that Wild Gods, at least those from Azeroth, project themselves into the Dream when healing up in Ardenweald. That’s why he looked all phantom and faded at the end of the raid, as opposed to solid when we fought him.
It’s unknown if this is something unique to Azeroth, due to Eonar making the Emerald Dream, but IIRC it’s said that she modelled it after Ardenweald, and thus they’re connected.
Going to chalk it up to they weren’t writing Shadowlands when they wrote the ending that raid.
I’m sure Shadowlands was on the planning board, but not in full production.
So it’s just an oversight.
Ursoc isn’t a Loa; he’s a Wild God. And that’s not splitting hairs. Mortals can become Loa, given the right circumstances. And if Uldir was any indication, numerous Loa were even captured and diced up for experiments (one of the bosses). Loa likely have their own pocket realms within Ardenweald, like Muz’ela and Bwonsamdi.
Now, Ursoc and Ysera, on the other hand, are beings with a deep connection directly to Nature, in the form of Azeroth’s Emerald Dream. From what little drips and drabs I got from the Alpha, we actually intervene to preserve Ysera’s blossom/pod/whatever. Ursoc on the other hand? He’s dead and gone for good unfortunately. Starved of anima his spirit just withered away. And you can’t fault the Sylvar or the Winter Queen for choosing to “cull” some souls to reclaim anima - if Ardenweald, as a realm, dies, then the entire cycle of death and rebirth connected to nature across the entire UNIVERSE dies with it.
I’m kind of under the influence that the Emerald Dream might simply be a dream state influenced on beings whilst they are in those eggs.
I think sequence of events is we killed him, his spirit was judged, sent to Ardenweald, and the Emerald Dream sleep commenced from there.
Could be wrong but it just feels like that was jow they were implying it. If that’s the case it may just be a retcon of the original Emerald Dream lore but Idk.
I think this is the best answer.
it is the emerald dream after all, and they are in a sleep like state, within their blue eggs.