did druids use their unarmed skill while shapeshifted into a form other than moonkin form for their attacks? if I was a level 60 resto druid with like 40 unarmed skill and decided to respec feral, would I have to level unarmed to 290+ to be any good at hitting stuff in cat or bear form?
No, it was independent of skill.
Edit: I played in vanilla and cat/bear attacks were not tied to any skill.
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To my knowledge I don’t think it applied to them, now granted I’ve only played private servers so I can’t attest to how it was in Vanilla but as I’ve played druid in the past when I went into bear or cat form I was able to hit things just fine and never once saw a weapon stat going, certainly not unarmed. Your weapons in feral were just stat sticks so I assume feral had some shadow skill that just stayed static.
No, you never really had to level a weap skill on a druid, one of the upsides.
Not exactly. Your weapon skill scaled to your level automatically in feral forms as soon as you leveled at 5 skill points per level. So a level 10 bear had essentially 50 “weapon skill” in bear form. A level 60 would have 300 “weapon skill”. This becomes pretty apparent when you attempt to hit a target that is a much higher level.
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I get what you are trying to convey but if you think about it what you just wrote is “it’s independent of skill”
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No. That’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is you don’t have to level a skill. A skill is still used in the calculation to figure out hit and crit rate. It’s an important distinction to make if you think this means you’ll be able to hit a target 10 levels higher than you because “cat form doesn’t use weapon skill.”
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If you really insist on going down this road…alright then.
A numeric value is used in the calculation to figure crit and hit but feral druid attacks do NOT have a skill.
Yes obviously they have a defined numeric value assigned to them for the calculations but “it’s an important distinction to make if someone would think that their skill is tied to a weapon they have equipped”
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They do though. That’s my point. It’s a hidden skill that is independent of any other weapon skills and is always equal to your level * 5.
Weapon skill, damage and speed in feral forms were static and not tied to gear or skill for that matter so were the various form bonuses. Some of them scaled with level and some didn’t which really sucks when you realize that for example oh… that form you got at level 40 well it’s not getting better, ever. Same with most feral attacks in form, that ability you got at level whatever? It never gets better outside of very minor stat scaling.
okay, thx for the info
also dealloc and siire’s arguing is pretty pointless at this point
basically, they might as well have a skill, but it is irrelevant
it might as well be semantics
Yeah I got the feeling they are arguing the same point but just saying it different ways.
Well, technicality aside, druids will never be able to lower the loss from glancing blows.
Literally everything you just said is incorrect… Except feral weapon skill. That is actually static.
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Are you surprised? 
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You also actually have weapon skills as well when you arent shifted. Start smacking bugs and mobs for those finishing blows to get 300 and cheer to the heavens when you get it off a beetle!
Actually no it’s not, feral base weapon speed, static, base weapon damage static, a lot of the form bonuses static. And of course didn’t get weapon or enchant procs either. That’s because in form feral effectively just had a default weapon that didn’t take into account what you had equipped at all and it was tuned like a green/white single handed item with a fast swing speed that was static for forever, yay… Something that never changed ever regardless of what you equipped.
But then of course people who think druid balance was fine don’t realize things like that.
I assume you are referring to OOMkins.
Pretty much. There were ways to game the system some with +str/+agi weapons, but that didnt do much.
When AQ came out, the +FAP stat came with it, but it didnt feel like much.
I know that one change the horrible part of me would love is the on hit proc change and the polearm being used being made available.
There are lots of procs that would help feral a lot. But I am perfectly fine not pushing for them. If those two changes did happen for some reason, I know what the best weapon would be for trash immediately.
He doesn’t know or care what he is referring too. He does nothing but troll and spread blatant misinformation in every thread yet somehow skirts by. No one can figure out why. We are all guessing he knows someone. No other explanation.
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