This quest is in Stormsong Valley in a village at coords: 62, 64
The questing in this area involves Lord Stormsong working the people of the area “to death” and you give them a potion to keep them going for the short term. We are advised not to attack the guards because they’re just following orders. That said, the guards we are advised not to kill are all people of color while the people effectively enslaved are… not people of color. Was this intentional?
I believe you’re reaching here. lol
The only thing I’m reaching for is justice.
Justice for who?
So you’re saying this quest is racist because the guards are non-white and you’re told not to kill them?
Being told not to kill people during an activity really does not make that activity racist, even if there are non-whites involved who you really want to kill.
There is racism in game but thats like calling orcs greenskins or sone other dehumanizing slurs. Its all to make war easier. I don’t see this as racist though.
So orcs want to be compared to puny humans now?
What? Just saying the WoW universe has its own form of racism that doesn’t apply to us. They dont share our own history and lore. But are modeled after ours in a way.
Ya look the proper term is Orcophobia.
Orcophobic slurs
is it really a phobia when their fears are completely justified?
I mean, the orcs tried to wipe out all life on the planets twice (three times if we count when they tried in WoD).
Maybe, we don’t really know. That said you’re reaching for a “meaning” or “message” behind it.
Subconsciously, most of our decisions about things like this are guided by personal biases and belief systems. While you might see influences from someone’s biases, that doesn’t mean the message was intentional.
It’s like if I make a huge thanksgiving dinner. As a french and italian person, you might see influences from those cultures in my cooking. I was, however, trying to create an american dinner. So, even if you do see some influence, it wasn’t “intentional” in a way that should irritate anyone or be seen as disrespectful.
I do not think so. There are multiple factors at play. Racism, caste systems, etc, all play a part in human history, and sometimes even active culture.
An attempt to portray that such things occur isn’t meant to poke fun at, mitigate the damage of, or otherwise hand wave such things. Unfortunately, when you handle things in a video game, it’s tricky. One of the “ideal” ways to handle such issues is to portray them without making them either or.
What I mean by this is that instead of supporting any given moral leaning (including: racist, anti racist, “I did my duty”, “orders don’t absolve morality”, etc), you ought to portray it precisely as it is. As opposed to taking a specific stance, you tell the story as those people would experience it. The player encounters a situation in which they see it actively happening, and they’re experience just one aspect of it.
However sometimes players, like yourself, begin to wonder if the portrayal isn’t a statement. Unfortunately, most of us are inclined to see any artificial portrayal as a message, regardless of how it’s handled. Even if the creator tried to recreate a situation without involving their own opinions and without trying to send a specific message.
As above, this is because each of us has our own opinions, beliefs, and biases. It’s difficult, if not impossible, to completely remove that from the equation. As a result people will see that, read into it, and assume we meant something that we did not mean.
This as much the viewer as it is the creator. For now, we could at best call it “a misguided attempt”, but it’s ultimately an attempt to portray a portion of the society we’re meant to experience and understand.
Does that particular portrayal ring as problematic to some people? Perhaps, but that doesn’t make it inherently wrong or bad. Everything in life can be taken wrong by someone. That doesn’t, in itself, matter in any way at all.
My take? It might have a bit of bias, it might be a little “off”, but it ultimately doesn’t tick any boxes that scream “genuinely offensive” in a way that I think there’s an intentional message going on.
Kul Tiran NPCs are randomly generated from the skin options of the race.
Some people are taking this thread way too seriously
Eh, in practice I realize that it’s either a troll or an idiot, but I had some spare time.
I don’t think it matters, at all, but if it did matter, my above post would still be my assessment.
You do realize that your character is a person of color right?
So if you used your colored logic… the reason why you are told not to kill the people of color is because you are a person of color… it would be considered self-hating and inappropriate.
As an aside, I think people are too quick to put “color” down as the first reason for castes and status.
We see plenty of various colors throughout the Kul Tiran areas, in various levels of society. Perhaps “white or black or olive or off-white” don’t matter in any way to the humans of Azeroth. Instead perhaps they base it on arbitrary things like date of birth, location of birth, or stars born under. Maybe they just based it off of “hey your mom was poor so now your a laborer” and the poor are just an equal mash of “races and colors”.
Maybe this particular group is all white slaves, but whites aren’t slaves and blacks aren’t all enforcers.
Now I’m not racist, but all I’m saying is that greenskins should stay far away from the Eastern Kingdoms and they ought to go back to their home on Nagrand.
racism exist in this game, adds to the realism. my extreme prejudice towards pandas and nightborne is justified.
Along with making sure the dead stay in the dirt where they belong
said mutated by radioactive well troll.