So where do you guys stand on this? I remember back in the day having to search every nook and cranny look for quest givers. When they added the "!" on the minimap it was a godsend.
What do you guys think?
A large part of the questing experience in WoW was following the instructions on the quest text and not being able to just follow your minimap based on the objective marks. They shouldn't compromise that facet of the game for the sake of convenience, that'd be like re-releasing Morrowind so that it works on modern hardware but then also adding Skyrim style quest waypoints.
Now good news for the people who want to have their cake and eat it too, there'll probably be addons that provide quest markers somewhere down the road. So do what you will with that when it happens, I've personally got no interest in playing with an addon like that though.
Now good news for the people who want to have their cake and eat it too, there'll probably be addons that provide quest markers somewhere down the road. So do what you will with that when it happens, I've personally got no interest in playing with an addon like that though.
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questing addons were a mistake
but that? that was an even bigger mistake
but that? that was an even bigger mistake
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03/27/2018 07:55 PMPosted by IconöclastA large part of the questing experience in WoW was following the instructions on the quest text and not being able to just follow your minimap based on the objective marks. They shouldn't compromise that facet of the game for the sake of convenience, that'd be like re-releasing Morrowind so that it works on modern hardware but then also adding Skyrim style quest waypoints.
Now good news for the people who want to have their cake and eat it too, there'll probably be addons that provide quest markers somewhere down the road. So do what you will with that when it happens, I've personally got no interest in playing with an addon like that though.
I think he means just the exclamation point and question mark which were added in some patch? Only those two things. Before it was the brass colored circle which denoted the quest giver, and it only displayed for a completed quest rather than an available one.
I think the game is better without. I found myself searching the world a lot more on Light's Hope at the lack of quest indicators on the minimap. Even found a few on accident, a fun surprise.
They were never in the original game, so should not be in Classic either.
This is part of your ability to actually pay attention and know where you're at. Spacial awareness is a skill, and putting these things on the spin map only reduces the skill needed to play the game.
Need help remembering where you are? Take a screen shot or literally draw a map in RL.
This is part of your ability to actually pay attention and know where you're at. Spacial awareness is a skill, and putting these things on the spin map only reduces the skill needed to play the game.
Need help remembering where you are? Take a screen shot or literally draw a map in RL.
03/27/2018 07:58 PMPosted by Helmetpoo03/27/2018 07:55 PMPosted by IconöclastA large part of the questing experience in WoW was following the instructions on the quest text and not being able to just follow your minimap based on the objective marks. They shouldn't compromise that facet of the game for the sake of convenience, that'd be like re-releasing Morrowind so that it works on modern hardware but then also adding Skyrim style quest waypoints.
Now good news for the people who want to have their cake and eat it too, there'll probably be addons that provide quest markers somewhere down the road. So do what you will with that when it happens, I've personally got no interest in playing with an addon like that though.
I think he means just the exclamation point and question mark which were added in some patch? Only those two things. Before it was the brass colored circle which denoted the quest giver, and it only displayed for a completed quest rather than an available one.
Ah then I definitely misread, I dunno why my brain defaulted to the quest objectives, my mistake. Regardless I get the feeling this goes hand-in-hand with what I mentioned about addons, it's very likely that we'll see an addon that caters to players who want to see where the quest givers are on the minimap not long after release.
I do not want them included. Let's keep a little bit of exploration alive within the game, instead of just following the minimap.
Not to mention, they were not in vanilla.
Not to mention, they were not in vanilla.
There's an app for that.
(Yes, Apple, your $1 is in the mail.)
(Yes, Apple, your $1 is in the mail.)
Ah. The argument that doesn’t matter. Regardless if it’s in classic or not is immaterial. There are a ton of addons that will do it for you.
Which is a point I’ve made before. Hashtag your no changes until you can’t breathe. Addons, for the most part, will render the energy you spent lobbying for no changes a waste of time.
But keep on keeping on. By all means it’s amusing.
Which is a point I’ve made before. Hashtag your no changes until you can’t breathe. Addons, for the most part, will render the energy you spent lobbying for no changes a waste of time.
But keep on keeping on. By all means it’s amusing.
Maybe I remember incorrectly but the NPCs did not have a visible quest marker until a player moused over them when I began playing. I believe this is what the OP is referring to. And in some zones, some quests, like escort quests, were easy to miss unless the player checked a zone list on a website. And even then, most research ended up with a list of coordinates to where the quest could be picked up. I could never figure out why Blizzard wanted to make the quest process easier. I know that the OP isn’t asking for glowing pine cones or anything, but I think it was fine the way it originally was. I think the only help a player should have is a third party coordinates addon, and that Blizzard should not get involved...just like it was during vanilla.
However there is one thing I will miss speaking of questing is the low level quest tracker, by the character portrait. I don’t believe it was added until Cata, but I could be wrong. I like being able to go back and do every single quest when I get bored, but oh well. I can live without it.
However there is one thing I will miss speaking of questing is the low level quest tracker, by the character portrait. I don’t believe it was added until Cata, but I could be wrong. I like being able to go back and do every single quest when I get bored, but oh well. I can live without it.
absolutely not
And if you are desperate to use an add-on, then fine use it. But addons being available don't mean we should make them inherent in the game.
And if you are desperate to use an add-on, then fine use it. But addons being available don't mean we should make them inherent in the game.
I say yes, since we will just build an add-on a few months in anyway, unless blizzard bans all add-ons like Diablo 3, and if they do go that route then they will have to make a few changes of the base game to make it more "playable"
You and I seem to be snarking at the same things from a different perspective, Ordekai. Do you mind if I ask what flavor of Vanilla you're leaning towards? You'll excuse me if I know it runs a bit deeper than amusement, else I'd have to consider some sort of bought/boosted 110 kind of voyeuristic appeal to the mocking of a perceived banal subculture of gamers, which would be dismissive of me. Plus, sometimes it can be hard to discern fundamental opinions when we flex our sarcasm as often as we do, so I would proffer it isn't lazy disinterest with regards to a willingness towards researching your posts. Would you care to share your druthers?
Gygen, quest tracking by the portrait was Vanilla, yes.
Gygen, quest tracking by the portrait was Vanilla, yes.
Autopilot questing is extremely mind numbing and makes leveling unfun since you don't really interact with the world or pay attention to anything, just going to the marked spot and clicking shiny objects or killing mobs with auras.
Sure there were questing addons but it still wasn't as mindless. Every little step counts, the game didn't become this awful because of some particular change, it slowly but surely kept trading gameplay and engagement for "convenience".
Sure there were questing addons but it still wasn't as mindless. Every little step counts, the game didn't become this awful because of some particular change, it slowly but surely kept trading gameplay and engagement for "convenience".
03/27/2018 08:29 PMPosted by OrdekaiAh. The argument that doesn’t matter. Regardless if it’s in classic or not is immaterial. There are a ton of addons that will do it for you.
Which is a point I’ve made before. Hashtag your no changes until you can’t breathe. Addons, for the most part, will render the energy you spent lobbying for no changes a waste of time.
But keep on keeping on. By all means it’s amusing.
Addons are optional. The point is that quest markers on the minimap shouldn't be inherent to a game that is being built explicitly to emulate a version of WoW that did not have them.
I love it when I see a meritless post that conveys nothing of value whilst simultaneously exuding the seemingly immeasurable levels of smug you'd come to expect from someone who huffs their own farts to savor the scent.
It's often a good indication that the poster is never even going to contribute to any thread beyond stirring the pot to feed their own ego. Glad you could clear that up for me.
03/27/2018 08:29 PMPosted by OrdekaiAh. The argument that doesn’t matter. Regardless if it’s in classic or not is immaterial. There are a ton of addons that will do it for you.
Which is a point I’ve made before. Hashtag your no changes until you can’t breathe. Addons, for the most part, will render the energy you spent lobbying for no changes a waste of time.
But keep on keeping on. By all means it’s amusing.
What's amusing is people asking for a change that addons already provide. It's about as backwards as it gets.
03/27/2018 09:09 PMPosted by Iconöclast03/27/2018 08:29 PMPosted by OrdekaiAh. The argument that doesn’t matter. Regardless if it’s in classic or not is immaterial. There are a ton of addons that will do it for you.
Which is a point I’ve made before. Hashtag your no changes until you can’t breathe. Addons, for the most part, will render the energy you spent lobbying for no changes a waste of time.
But keep on keeping on. By all means it’s amusing.
Addons are optional. The point is that quest markers on the minimap shouldn't be inherent to a game that is being built explicitly to emulate a version of WoW that did not have them.
I love it when I see a meritless post that conveys nothing of value whilst simultaneously exuding the seemingly immeasurable levels of smug you'd come to expect from someone who huffs their own farts to savor the scent.
It's often a good indication that the poster is never even going to contribute to any thread beyond stirring the pot to feed their own ego. Glad you could clear that up for me.
You’re welcome.
I’m happy we could both type the same thing in two different ways, albeit yours was slightly more flamboyant in its personal attack.
You’ll have to forgive me for rolling my eyes at your argument and the entire premise of this thread. Addons are optional in the same way a seat belt is optional.
The game being created not involving marks on a mini map being so fundamental in your enjoyment of said game IS amusing to me, simply because the bloke behind you is running an addon that will get him from point A to B to Z much more quickly.
By all means, enjoy the emulated hardship. Just stop with the low brow, mind numbing, argumentative posts, that ultimately matter little. That’s the case here. Hell yea no changes. I’ll just download this addon which makes the entire discussion moot.
Also, my farts are simply magnificent in their aroma, and I huff them often.
03/27/2018 09:15 PMPosted by Hushups03/27/2018 08:29 PMPosted by OrdekaiAh. The argument that doesn’t matter. Regardless if it’s in classic or not is immaterial. There are a ton of addons that will do it for you.
Which is a point I’ve made before. Hashtag your no changes until you can’t breathe. Addons, for the most part, will render the energy you spent lobbying for no changes a waste of time.
But keep on keeping on. By all means it’s amusing.
What's amusing is people asking for a change that addons already provide. It's about as backwards as it gets.
I’m with you on this one. Strangely, I seem to be with you on a lot of topics despite our differences. You have much more tact. And I’m also craving a carne asata burrito.
Both sides of the argument are dumb and amusing.
quest helper/hubber/tracker whatever addons were/are around.
Making it native to the client... why force it on people?
Making it native to the client... why force it on people?