To the insanely long-lived Draenei, “decades” is basically the same as “minutes” to anyone in a normal timescale. Regardless, neither is any amount of time compared to how long the Draenei and Orcs had lived on Draenor prior to the Orcs going purge happy.
The Orcs very suddenly turned into this bloodthirsty war machine - the precedent was set. For someone who saw it happen, and was told, “oh yeah, in our timeline most of your race was wiped out by the Orcs” it’s super easy to see why they’d want more assurance than the original head of said war machine shouting, “Draenor is free!” then everyone just pretends like nothing happened.
And the only insight we have on the matter are the words of the Alternaorc refugees. We don’t have her perspective or motivation from anyone not her enemies - ie, no unbiased or omniscient narrative source.
But none of this is to say whether she was right or wrong. You don’t like Deus Vult Yrel? Neither do most people. Neither do I. Blizzard’s perverse, unending obsession with demonizing anything that even smells like an actual force for good is both tedious and infuriating. It’s not compelling, it’s not creative, and they need to find some other story to tell.
The fact that they did this, all so they could use the AU Orcs, all so they reuse a few damn ugly boat assets primarily associated with a feature no one liked, is infuriating. BfA in how it brought the AU Orcs into the roster, went back and retroactively made WoD worse, a feat I’m still left agog at.
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Regardless, Yrel still has a lot more clear and understandable motivation for her actions than Sylvanas’ little nihilist meltdown.
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That isn’t true unless it is in a book somewhere.
We have no idea what transpired but we can make reasonable assumptions.
Factually, orcs are incredibly tribal and aggressive. They build their leadership hierarchies by the strong ruling the clan until the point they can be beaten by someone stronger. This naturally means orc leaders are going to be highly aggressive and seek to keep their people busy taking out/over territory lest they be seen as weak and taken out themselves.
It is reasonable to assume that the Draenei weren’t going to just slaughter the orcs as penance but were going to expect and demand they curb their violent ways and when they saw the orc clans going back to their old ways and leaders rising, they realized it would be a matter of time until history repeated itself so with the wounds still fresh on their minds, but still not just plain evil themselves, they oped instead to force the orcs to abandon their paths and join theirs so they’d all be on the same team…the lesser of 2 evils and when that, predictably, went south it would have led to Yrel being “right” that the orcs need subjugated now or they’d be a threat later.
That is an entirely plausible scenario that would “justify” the AU fallout we only get a glimpse of, if you are Horde even, when you go to AU Draenor to recruit the orcs. Canonically, we lost the means to go to AU Draenor and only with the Nightborne were we able to get a temporary portal back to it…just to find the orcs HAD banded together and holed up against an inquisition.
Now that would be pretty neat. The Crusade of Light led by Yrel, Turalyon and any remaining naaru vs. the Defenders of the Void led by Alleria and the void equivalent of the naaru. And instead of forcing us onto a side (unless our toon is a void elf or light forged draenei), we hire out as mercs to either side. There can be only one.
Don’t forget, this is Blizzard. They would make the Void and the Light join forces to defeat the bigger enemy we didn’t see coming. Again. This time though it would be different, it would the Hogger and his army of evil gerbils.
No, they’d go after each other because it’s part of the bigger enemy’s master plan. You’re probably right about Hogger though.
What is with this idea of redemption everyone has?
Some villains just need to face justice the old fashioned way: by being murdered, to death!
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The problem isn’t Yrel, it is the naaru known as the Light Mother who pushed many of the peoples of the AU Draenor into fanatical worship of the light, including many of the orcs, ogres and others. As we saw in X’era’s behavior, the naaru are not immune to a kind of madness that causes them to develop a kind of tunnel vision and to pursue their cause while ignoring the morality and collateral damage of that single minded crusade.
Frankly at this point, given other issues with the naaru, they really worry me given their power and influence.
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STATEMENT: The light see one path, the void sees all paths
No past tense, though. It’s accelerating and collapsing. We have no timeline on this.
Barring an omnipotent deity, no one sees all paths. They only imagine existence within the limits of their ignorance.
I think that’s shadow’s thing, seeing all possible futures but unable to know which one is correct, whereas light see’s only one future and strives to force that future to occur.
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And pray tell how does one know that they see all paths? You don’t know what you don’t know.
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She’s clearly on the right side in this (the Light’s side).
The real question is, if we stop her, do WE deserve redemption?
Yrel did nothing wrong killling orcs isn’t even bad when they tried to kill you first.
Honestly we do not know the details on what happened.
Too much lack of information. If the mag’har killed the all the primal giants (both plant and rock ones) they essentially killed the planet since the plant ones pretty much ate the world spirit elemental. They had full control of all plant life essentially. If that is the case then yrel’s attack on the mag’har was justified, abiet misguided.
Yrel’s second in command in AU Draenor future is Exarch Hellscream, most likely this will be AU Garrosh (even though his mom died beforehand, but Danuser and extablished lore… you know how that goes, even ignoring the whole shared soul nonsense that would also prohibit this).
So… Lightforged Orc Paladin Garrosh Hellscream x Yrel.
Please don’t bring her back, if only to avoid this.
Didn’t she just kill off all the orcs? 'Cause that sounds more like a public service to me. Hey, we should hire her for Azeroth. Maybe for a little extra she would take care of the Undead too!
It’s even more simple than that.
Yrel has knowledge of AU events and MU events. She knows from 2 seperate universes how orcs are. Just because Grommash helped us take out Archimonde, doesn’t mean he’s actually redeemed. In fact, if anything, there is every reason to believe the orcs will be an AU threat again because they still did their war despite resisting getting roided up on demon juice.
The Draenei aren’t about just stamping life out like orcs are so likely demanded orcs to learn to co-exist while keeping a super close eye on them and likely saw the orc tribes going back to doing what orcs do…fight amongst themselves until a warchief is made and the tribe more or less follows them and knowing it was only a matter of time until the clans were back under a leader and waging war again.
The crusade to convert them to the light was probably done and seen as a lesser of 2 evils. If the orcs were turned from the dark practices/arts, they too would follow the tenants and be “good light citizens” and peace would come about that way…but yet the crusade would naturally make them band together to resist it and just speed along the eventuality anyway.
So basically the Draenei are in a bad spot…be all genocidal and wipe them out and ensure your future peace or wait it out and prepare for an eventual war where you may get slaughtered yourself.
Or option 3, break the cycle now and convert those that can be so everyone is good light-worshipping folks and neither has to get slaughtered eventually.
Yeah, the world of the people who had previously nearly wiped out the Draenei. I am sure once they learned this wasn’t the first time this nearly happened, they decided to take steps to ensure that the Orcs of AD could never attempt it again.
Oh boy, sure sounds like it’s time for a Crusade!
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